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Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:26AM (#48964960)
For a no hacks alternative, I built TV Explorer. It puts the channel's published HLS stream into your browser with no interim steps. Uses the public GitHub list of more than 10,000 free channels.

https://tvexplorer.live

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by ssl-3 on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:51AM (#48965084)
That is an unbelievably slick thing that you've got there.

It feels very light-weight, it's approximately instantly-responsive. Back button works. I don't understand the stats (or my contribution to them), but whatever.

(the closed-captioning pop-up causes some overlay issues for me, though)

moar edit: Upon further review with my very not-special desktop box, I'm reasonably confident that this is the quickest, most-responsive "TV-watching" experience I've had since analog NTSC left the scene ~eons ago. It's fast like switching from channel 11 to channel 13 used to be with the very quickest and most well-behaved of tuners.

What aren't you doing that everyone else is doing?

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by mschuster91 on Sunday July 19, 2026 @04:24AM (#48966006)
> What aren't you doing that everyone else is doing?

Seems to be the fact that there's no advertising, tracking or other SDKs and the entire JS is contained in two files.

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:12PM (#48969378)
Thank you for noticing!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by ninkendo on Sunday July 19, 2026 @10:10AM (#48968367)
> Back button works

Maybe a little too well... I tried a whole bunch of channels to get an idea of which ones work, and my history was too full to get out of the site. Maybe every channel change doesn't need to push to your history list.

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:11PM (#48969376)
Very good point. Thank you, and I'll put a limit on it. 10?
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by michaelmrose on Sunday July 19, 2026 @11:50AM (#48969207)
Generally filling up the buffer is fine. It's perfectly normal that after viewing a certain number of documents one has to manually decide where to go.

You know what you need. A button that goes back but instead of going to the prior document goes to the first document with a different domain than the current one.

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by ninkendo on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:29PM (#48969508)
Yeah, I'm not convinced it's really the site's fault... I can understand the logic of wanting the back button to go back a channel, but also I generally want to go "out" of a page when I hit the back button, so there's no real one-size-fits-all answer.

But speaking only for myself, if history.pushState was removed from my browser I would probably be happier in the end. JavaScript SPA's abuse it 10x more often than they use it appropriately, I'd rather that if you're an SPA anyway, you implement your own in-app navigation and let my browser's mean "get me out of this app". Lord knows SPA's already reinvent every other web standard, why not one more...

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by michaelmrose on Monday July 20, 2026 @12:46AM (#48974457)
I want a back button and a button to the left with a double arrow back like Rewind and for the browser to maintain both a buffer of prior pages and one at least as long of prior root sites with right-click showing this list
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by rendaw on Monday July 20, 2026 @08:52AM (#48978205)
Tangentially, I wonder why browsers can't store more than N history items... even from the same session.
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:11PM (#48969373)
Thank you so much! What a nice thing to hear.

The short version is that it uses my own engine, called Watson. I used to work for a small game studio inside a big company and my specialty was tooling. I had built my own before I started there and when they shutdown, it evolved into Watson[0].

It's lightweight because it's a static site with no server, it has no spying code or SDKs, and it puts the broadcasters HLS stream URL directly into a <video> element in your browser with minimal intervention.

[0] https://watsonengine.io

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by SoftTalker on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:26PM (#48969490)
Looks potentially very nice but the majority of the channels I tried were "blocked in my area or not broadcasting"
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:29PM (#48969515)
Thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry that happened. Because the data comes from a public GitHub list of channels, the app has no way to know what will be geoblocked for you (or not) or actually online at the moment (or not) until you try to tune it -- very much like an old analog TV.

But... TV Explorer does keep track of what's tunable (with status lights down the left column) and also lets you scan in the background to find the ones that are live for you right now.

https://tvexplorer.live/help/25-things-18

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by SoftTalker on Sunday July 19, 2026 @02:03PM (#48970311)
Thanks, I'll play with it a bit more.
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by pessimizer on Sunday July 19, 2026 @05:00PM (#48971620)
Magnificent thing you made, and the scanning is awesome. My problem is that it seems that I can't put more than one filter of the same type on i.e. (Spanish AND English), and if I switch between languages within the filter, the scan is reset.
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @09:39PM (#48973506)
Thank you so much for that!

It does only allow filtering by one language at a time, but you can build your hotbar of the stations you like that you find across any filters.

The scan works on the displayed results. If you change the filter, it starts with the new list -- but all the results are saved regardless.

Hope that makes it a bit bitter!

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by squigz on Sunday July 19, 2026 @07:11PM (#48972547)
In case anyone else runs into this: the Stats section was not shown for me by default and I had to enable it in Settings.

Really great site though!

Quick suggestion: let us resize the channel browser when it's horizontal, and perhaps allow collapsing it altogether

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @09:41PM (#48973510)
Thanks so much for the compliment!

When your window is wide enough (on desktop), you should be able to drag the split point between the TV display and the channel list.

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by jarym on Sunday July 19, 2026 @04:15AM (#48965959)
Love it
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:48PM (#48969674)
Thank you, kindly!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by jusonchan81 on Sunday July 19, 2026 @01:03AM (#48965144)
This is incredible! It loaded so fast on my mobile and I’m able to watch channels from all over. Amazing stuff man. It requires a thread of its own
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by severine on Sunday July 19, 2026 @06:36AM (#48966723)
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:13PM (#48969383)
Thank you so much! Devs sometimes don't hear the good stuff about our work and I'm thrilled that you're enjoying it.
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by liquidnitrogen1 on Sunday July 19, 2026 @02:35AM (#48965518)
I think https://tv.garden/ has more channels than your especially if i look at Japan
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by asimpletune on Sunday July 19, 2026 @03:38AM (#48965769)
Both of these are amazing
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by maxweylandt on Sunday July 19, 2026 @04:52AM (#48966165)
Seems to depend on the country, tv.garden has nothing in Namibia, for example
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by normie3000 on Sunday July 19, 2026 @03:49AM (#48965826)
Just stays on the loading screen for me (Safari, iOS 26).
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by b112 on Sunday July 19, 2026 @04:56AM (#48966185)
Same here. I wonder if it's hugged to death?
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by drewrbaker on Sunday July 19, 2026 @03:29AM (#48965728)
This as a Jellyfin plugin would be awesome!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by boromi on Sunday July 19, 2026 @01:52AM (#48965346)
very cool. How would have this on actual TV? Load it in the built in browser?
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:16PM (#48969417)
You can cast from a Chrome browser to an Android TV or Chromecast device:

https://tvexplorer.live/help/ways-to-watch

and...

https://tvexplorer.live/help/25-things-07

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by nchagnet on Sunday July 19, 2026 @01:41AM (#48965298)
This is such a high quality TV viewing experience, I really love it! Amazing work!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:13PM (#48969394)
Thank you very much. I'm delighted that you like it!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by liamwire on Sunday July 19, 2026 @01:16AM (#48965188)
This is fantastic, as others have said. Could you talk a bit about how it's so wonderfully fast?
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:14PM (#48969399)
Thank you! That's so great to hear! I wrote a little bit about that here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48969373

Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by supersparrow on Sunday July 19, 2026 @11:20AM (#48968955)
This is amazing! Can this be self hosted?
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:13PM (#48969386)
It is a static site that doesn't require a server and can be hosted anywhere.
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by skanga on Monday July 27, 2026 @12:35PM (#49072080)
Are there any instructions on self hosting?
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by nickzelei on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:32PM (#48969533)
This is probably the nicest IPTV site I’ve ever seen, nice work!!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @12:48PM (#48969670)
I'm so honored that you feel that way, and thank you for saying so!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by sharts on Sunday July 19, 2026 @01:59PM (#48970275)
dis sum good stuff
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @04:06PM (#48971281)
Thanks bro!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by mcmoebius on Sunday July 19, 2026 @03:52PM (#48971190)
that's INCREDIBLE! thanks so much for creating and sharing this!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by dtagames on Sunday July 19, 2026 @04:05PM (#48971275)
The pleasure is mine, and thank you for saying so!
Re:Better and Cheaper Than IPTV by bwoah on Friday July 24, 2026 @03:16PM (#49040408)
This is super cool. Thanks for building it.

Here are a couple of issues I'm seeing in Brave on Debian:

The player's mute button effectiveness lasts for fractions-to-seconds before the player unmutes itself. I instead need to mute the tab.

Fit Screen doesn't do anything when clicked.

Full Screen doesn't preserve the stream's aspect ratio and instead stretches to the displays' aspect ratio, which on my non-16:9 displays gets weird.

Floating Window has some glitchy draw behavior, among other bugs.

Still, I love it. It's great and I use it daily. Thanks again!