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Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by dualvariable on Wednesday June 24, 2026 @11:53PM (#48668653)
"Information wants to be free"

Anthropic profited from training its models on all kinds of copyrighted information, live by the sword, die by the sword...

Their model weights, training data, training methods, etc are all going to leak to China over time.

Nobody on a site named _Hacker_ news should be all that upset about this.

Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by XorNot on Thursday June 25, 2026 @12:02AM (#48668720)
Seriously AI companies complaining about fair use is the biggest case of crocodile tears I can think of. Irony has been dead for a while, but they dug up the corpse and set it on fire anyway.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by digitaltrees on Thursday June 25, 2026 @01:17AM (#48669245)
Totally agree.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by toobulkeh on Thursday June 25, 2026 @12:10AM (#48668772)
You’re mistaking the original term hacker, a tinkerer of systems, for the black hat variety.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by drekipus on Thursday June 25, 2026 @12:29AM (#48668889)
There is no real difference
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by usefulcat on Thursday June 25, 2026 @12:57AM (#48669096)
It’s true that the meanings of words can change over time. Whether or not that’s a good thing is another question entirely.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by collingreen on Thursday June 25, 2026 @12:58AM (#48669102)
Yes there is.

Care to elaborate on your side or should we just leave it there?

Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by zem on Thursday June 25, 2026 @12:59AM (#48669115)
there is, the original hackers built thinks, they didn't attempt to destroy or coopt them
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by anigbrowl on Thursday June 25, 2026 @01:28AM (#48669324)
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by eimrine on Thursday June 25, 2026 @01:07AM (#48669164)
I suppose his point was that the both parties are black hats.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by tancop on Thursday June 25, 2026 @01:18AM (#48669254)
black and white hat is relative. someone breaking into a state run database in a dictatorship and stealing documents that prove some opposition leader was murdered would be a black hat criminal if you ask their government. a hacker jailbreaking a phone to let people fix it without expensive official service is a black hat to the company. we should really switch to saying offensive and defensive or something else that doesnt come with moral implications. maybe lawful and chaotic.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by vasco on Thursday June 25, 2026 @01:48AM (#48669452)
What true hackers really did was discuss the definition of the word and how to use it
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by dualvariable on Thursday June 25, 2026 @02:36AM (#48669793)
Hackers didn't use to spend a lot of time defending trillion-dollar corporations and their intellectual property rights.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by tedd4u on Thursday June 25, 2026 @02:25AM (#48669723)
Don't forget insider threat vector, too.
Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by dualvariable on Thursday June 25, 2026 @12:46PM (#48676061)
I deliberately didn't mention any threat vector.

I would assume China is working on liberating Anthropic weights through the battle-tested strategy of finding someone in a privileged position and getting them laid, etc.

Re:Anthropic Accuses Alibaba of 'Illicitly' Accessing AI Models by Perepiska on Thursday June 25, 2026 @04:51PM (#48679025)
Los ricos también lloran (1979)