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Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by vlovich123 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @01:52PM (#48312751)
Took me a while to find what you were referring to by gram. Arxiv paper from 9 days ago that's not properly indexed by search engines.

(G)enerative (R)ecursive re(A)soning (M)odels. They really wanted the acronym.

https://arxiv.org/html/2605.19376v1

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by knollimar on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:06PM (#48312996)
I prefer GRRM but then that would imply a habit of not actually getting a final result
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by troyvit on Thursday May 28, 2026 @04:33PM (#48315054)
And then every time I ask it to hurry along it kills a Stark.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by anakaine on Thursday May 28, 2026 @05:32PM (#48315811)
Version 8 had serious flaws and wasn't recieved well by users.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by kshacker on Thursday May 28, 2026 @08:36PM (#48317463)
I am sorry, but there was no version 7 and 8.

Version 7 and 8 are well known viruses distributed by D&D software inc.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by darth_aardvark on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:48PM (#48327607)
I'd really argue the bugs were introduced in version 5 but people were so excited by the promise of new features they sold well anyway.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by dwd on Sunday May 31, 2026 @08:18PM (#48351229)
Can we just say it was basically vibe coded, but with real humans in the loop?

Version 5 was when the source material dried up, and the hallucinations became more frequent and obvious.

As far as I remember there was a basic outline of major plot points and where all the major characters ended up (a prompt) and were left to fill in all the blanks.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by troyvit on Tuesday June 02, 2026 @12:59PM (#48372913)
> Can we just say it was basically vibe coded

I mean he references a "murder of ravens" several times. It's an unkindness of ravens and a murder of crows. Classic LLM mistake right up there with the emdash.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by b--l on Thursday May 28, 2026 @07:13PM (#48316847)
Thank you for the gold kind stranger.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by sharken on Thursday May 28, 2026 @05:31PM (#48315800)
Claude Opus 4.8 suggests "ReGRAM", which is less bad than GRAM.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by moomin on Thursday May 28, 2026 @07:56PM (#48317195)
writing… (17 years)
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by subscribed on Friday May 29, 2026 @07:29AM (#48321777)
Ouch.

As a fellow reader-in-waiting, I applaud that. GMTA :)

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by areweai on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:16PM (#48313152)
That acronym is unacceptable. It's going to impede discussion and cause confusion for a long time if it doesn't die off immediately.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by sebzim4500 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @03:13PM (#48313966)
You think that's bad? I introduce you to LION, (evoLved sIgn mOmeNtum) [1]

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2302.06675

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by llarota on Thursday May 28, 2026 @09:01PM (#48317668)
not bad although archived. have any info why?
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by ikiris on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:32AM (#48319780)
Now I just hear the Voltron intro riff in my head
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by esseph on Friday May 29, 2026 @03:57AM (#48320353)
Those flying diecast lions hurt when they hit you as a kid
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by tracker1 on Friday May 29, 2026 @12:01PM (#48324970)
Not as much as when the leg broke off and you couldn't fix it, so you glue it in place and stop playing with it rather than ever tell your parents you broke it.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by pipeToLess on Saturday May 30, 2026 @03:04PM (#48339594)
Between transformers, voltron, and borderline evil siblings it’s kinda of a miracle I made it from birth to now. But, hey, here we are and I love my brother… pretty sure he still stands me too.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by froh on Thursday May 28, 2026 @04:11PM (#48314761)
confusing indeed. I wondered "which RAM? nvram? dram? vram? dram? now what's g-ram?"
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by 3form on Thursday May 28, 2026 @05:14PM (#48315591)
GPU RAM, clearly. At least that's where my mind went.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by bbor on Thursday May 28, 2026 @07:58PM (#48317209)
Pretty sure it's "GNU Is Not Unix Rapid Access Memory", actually
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by bmacho on Friday May 29, 2026 @06:04AM (#48321193)
GPURAM is Probably Unix Rapid Access Memory
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by drakythe on Thursday May 28, 2026 @05:55PM (#48316060)
We already have VRAM for that purpose, thankfully.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by evan_ on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:29PM (#48313346)

  "Analysis" was right there
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by gchamonlive on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:25PM (#48313287)
Yeah, look what happened to GNU
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by iugtmkbdfil834 on Friday May 29, 2026 @09:19AM (#48322768)
Is this the right place to do everyone's favorite copypasta?:D
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by gchamonlive on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:10PM (#48326133)
Sorry but I missed the joke, could you include me in the group? Honest question
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by iugtmkbdfil834 on Friday May 29, 2026 @02:09PM (#48327010)
I live to serve. For everyone's enjoyment:

https://stallman-copypasta.github.io/

GNU/Linux Copypasta

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by gchamonlive on Saturday May 30, 2026 @02:44PM (#48339429)
Exactly the kind of pedantry I enjoy
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by jorvi on Thursday May 28, 2026 @06:32PM (#48316468)
We're still talking about "zero-shot prompt" when the saying "X-shotted" ["One-shotted the difficult maze"] was already a well-established thing in daily vernacular. So now you constantly have to readjust your brain because whenever you read "zero-shot prompt" your mind goes "uh.. a zero-try attempt is a paradox and cannot exist".
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by customguy on Thursday May 28, 2026 @08:20PM (#48317366)
Zero shotting: there wasn't even an attempt.

Minus one shotting: you have to make one attempt for there to have been no attempt, and two attempts for there to have been one attempt.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by altmanaltman on Friday May 29, 2026 @01:05AM (#48319268)
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take

- Wayne Gretzky

  - altmanaltman
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by acka on Friday May 29, 2026 @03:18AM (#48320068)
One shot: Taking a shot, just once.

Zero shot: Knowing you had a shot but choosing not to.

Minus one shot: Not even realizing there was a shot.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by selcuka on Thursday May 28, 2026 @08:25PM (#48317398)
> a zero-try attempt is a paradox and cannot exist

Have you tried applying L'Hôpital's Rule?

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by lambda on Thursday May 28, 2026 @11:08PM (#48318530)
Zero-shot, one-shot, few-shot etc. refers to how many examples you have to give.

It comes about from machine learning algorithms that could pick up on patterns from a small number of examples. Few shot means only a handful of examples to recognize something. One shot means only a single example. And zero shot means no examples. Of course, you have to indicate what you want somehow, but in the case of an LLM that's the prompt. Once LLMs were trained for instruction following, you didn't have to give any examples, you could just give a prompt describing what you want, and that was a zero-shot.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by jorvi on Friday May 29, 2026 @06:58AM (#48321532)
You're explaining something to me I already know. Hence the "readjust my brain".

I'm complaining about the LLM field co-opting a term that was already used in daily vernacular. Imagine if people in the LLM field made it so that saying the LLM made a "final answer" means that it got stuck in a loop. Now, whenever someone says an LLM gave a "final answer" we have to divine if they meant it is in a loop or gave the right answer after working through a few intermittent ones by itself.

Choosing to call it "X-shot" was a dumb move. And now we're stuck with it. No two ways about it.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by coldtea on Thursday May 28, 2026 @09:56PM (#48318037)
It's just an acronym. It's not gonna impede anything. Think of it as just a name - you either know what it refers to or you don't, you don't understand something from it's name, or it's acronym.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by rmunn on Thursday May 28, 2026 @10:26PM (#48318267)
It's an acronym that matches an extremely common word, making it not easily searchable.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by coldtea on Thursday May 28, 2026 @10:34PM (#48318316)
Like countless others. You just add a second term for context.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by noisy_boy on Thursday May 28, 2026 @09:59PM (#48318062)
It's great if they also introduce KILOGRAM
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by dyates on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:07PM (#48313012)
And to think, we could have had George RR Martins instead.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by trollbridge on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:17PM (#48313166)
Speaking of things that never finish.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by 867-5309 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:25PM (#48313289)
my wife assures me it's common..
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by mindcrime on Thursday May 28, 2026 @03:00PM (#48313784)
is her name Jenny by chance?
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by 867-5309 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @03:36PM (#48314297)
what are the odds
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by jimbokun on Thursday May 28, 2026 @03:21PM (#48314090)
Just spell it GRRM but pronounce it “gram” if you have to reference it in spoken conversation.

Which will be pretty rare.

Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by freehorse on Thursday May 28, 2026 @03:40PM (#48314334)
Grrm with a rolling r sounds better.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by dizzant on Thursday May 28, 2026 @09:16PM (#48317776)
Pronounced like “groom” makes for a nice analogy with slimming down the model size too.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by bluecheese452 on Friday May 29, 2026 @11:28AM (#48324395)
Or grim
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by yieldcrv on Thursday May 28, 2026 @04:47PM (#48315231)
G return G
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by navigate8310 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @07:24PM (#48316952)
It is the 3rd list on Kagi when searching "gram models"
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by bbor on Thursday May 28, 2026 @07:57PM (#48317201)
Random plug for Kagi, which got it for 'GRAM model llm' on the first try ;)
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by ulbu on Friday May 29, 2026 @08:21AM (#48322176)
I propose GRIM: Generative Recursive Indeterministic Impression Machine.
Re:Claude Opus 4.8 by FuriouslyAdrift on Friday May 29, 2026 @10:29AM (#48323548)
Let's not forget about Yann LeCun's current area of research that's completely different from LLMs: Joint Embedding Predictive Architecture (JEPA)

If he gets that style to be more efficient (they're already competitive) it'll completely kill off LLMs

https://openreview.net/pdf?id=BZ5a1r-kVsf