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Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by p2detar on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:17AM (#48292467)
> I worked as a developer at a company. I asked the business owner a question about a business task. He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. I replied that it had nothing to do with my question and everything there was wrong. A minute later he sent me another ChatGPT screenshot. He didn’t even read the AI’s answer.

That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior.

It's still a bit better at my workplace but irritating nonetheless - my boss would "research" a feature and prep notes in our wiki with some gemini chatbot exchanges attached. This is a of course no specification, but it's supposed to be a good base point to start working on the feature. Gemini already chose the coding libraries and concepts, so to the outsider it just seems like all that's needed is to code that into the product. Of course, it's not that simple and it mostly gets in the way rather than help. But now questions arise why is the feature not ready yet, when "the plan" is already there and so obvious.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by ramon156 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:17AM (#48293108)
You'd be surprised how many "scale-up"'s are owned by genuine idiots. I don't even mean inexperienced people, just people that - if you were to meet them for the first time - seem like they are fucking idiots. The type that recently figured out you can tie your shoe instead of tripping over them.

Those people own a yacht, a big house, all that stuff. I don't know how they do it. Is it incompetence, is it unwillingness? are they retarded? we'll never know...

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by 542354234235 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:38AM (#48293342)
>I don't know how they do it.

They are too dumb to not be confident. Plenty of confident dumb people are poor and try get rich quick schemes. Occasionally some of them work, and now you have a dumb business owner.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by thesamethrowawa on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:51AM (#48293485)
Yes.

If you're 10/10 smart, you're getting a 7 figure sign on bonus to go work at Meta as an AI researcher.

If you're 6-9/10 smart, you're probably miserable somewhere.

If you're 4-5/10 smart, you are one of these people.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by surajrmal on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:41AM (#48295142)
Why do you feel the need to simplify life into such a narrow perspective? While it's true that being smart can limit your confidence, what you've written is beyond exaggeration. There is so much more complexity involved.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by roncesvalles on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @12:27PM (#48296633)
There is some insight to his post. If you're very intelligent, there are many points in your life that steer you away from starting your own company. If at any point the best option you have is to start a company, you were probably not a very good student or employee.

This is largely my experience as well. The Bay Area wannabe startup crowd is brimming with idiots, people dumber than your dumbest colleague at work. Unbelievable amounts of Dunning-Kruger.

The actual grind filters out most of them, of course, but if you concede that some businesses are basically luck then some number of those idiots will make it.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by bouncing_bolete on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:49PM (#48302817)
I agree that intelligent people often get railroaded into a certain kind of life, but I think the prognosis is still a little off. It's clear in the US that owning a successful company has some of the highest outcomes possible in society (if financial freedom is the goal).

People who don't have those types of things in mind can only be so smart in my book.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by 542354234235 on Friday May 29, 2026 @10:36AM (#48323612)
"Successful" is the key. A winning lottery ticket is one of the quickest ways to get money, the hard part is the "winning". If you are smart, there are many career paths that are highly likely to be very profitable, with small risk of failure and a pretty high floor. That is not the case for starting a business. The upside is potentially much higher, but it is much less likely, and the downside is huge.

Having access to capital is much more important than smarts, which is why so many people starting businesses have generational money propping them up, or as a safety net. Even smart people are usually reliant on that family capital. Bill Gates’ parents were millionaires, Musk and his dad’s emerald mine, Thiel started his first hedge fund with a million dollars raised from “friends and family”.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by keybored on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:26AM (#48294006)
HN mindset distilled in one comment.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by thesamethrowawa on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:27AM (#48294021)
Thanks. I'm going to take that as a compliment.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by keybored on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:28AM (#48294035)
HN positivity distilled in one reply.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by thesamethrowawa on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:31AM (#48294086)
HN self-loathing distilled in a pointless thread.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by keybored on Thursday May 28, 2026 @06:08AM (#48306881)
I recommend taking long walks and doing breathing exercises.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by moomoo11 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:06AM (#48293705)
so… they’re conmen

confidence man

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by thesamethrowawa on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:29AM (#48293242)
Flowers for Algernon has something to say about this.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by dbetteridge on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:40AM (#48295127)
So Silicon Valley's big-head is based on an actual stereotype?
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by abalashov on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @02:03PM (#48298058)
Yeah, except that Big Head was, as far as I understood, just sleepwalking or floating through life. He more or less wholly lacked that unquenchable thirst for money that motivates MBA frat boys to yell at balding beta cucks to type the code faster before AI replaces them...
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by thesamethrowawa on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:17AM (#48293105)
> That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior.

With some notable exceptions, this describes almost every business owner I've worked with.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by bitmasher9 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:28AM (#48293238)
I use to get emails with some oddball questions slightly out of my field of expertise from business owners. I would answer, and they would forward my email to the person that asked them the question. They saw their role as routers.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by rightbyte on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:10PM (#48297266)
Delegating questions to experts seem reasonable?
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by ranyume on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:56PM (#48297924)
Expropriating value is not.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by justinclift on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:12AM (#48293056)
> psychotic

Probably more under-developed that psychotic.

ie not really using their adult thinking any more

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by notnullorvoid on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:44AM (#48295175)
I think psychotic fits. They have lost touch with reality, and are treating AI as some all knowing entity.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by xp84 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:17PM (#48297373)
People have no mental model for it. They know people don't know much, and are used to computers being deterministic. Now (setting aside complete rubes who believe anything) people are used to detecting human-generated BS and spam on the Internet.

- It's nearly always poorly written because dummies also usually can barely write

- It's poorly packaged (some random comments section, not a polished slide deck)

- It's biased in predictable ways (when you do know who wrote it, their self-interested takes are predictable).

Enter "AI" - it writes mechanically well (even though it overuses several tropes, it doesn't make grammatical errors). AI packages its output as exactly what you ask it to (e.g. finished coding projects, outlines, essays, etc.) And not being a person, it's not guaranteed to have a certain bias, but it does echo and validate all your own biases.

Given all this, people think AI sounds exactly like what they assume an oracle would sound like.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by cjs_ac on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:13AM (#48293800)
Just before LLMs became available to the general public, I worked for a small (fewer than ten employees) strategy consultancy. They had some industry-specific analysis tools that were in Excel, and my job was to turn them into a software product that customers could operate themselves. The owner had a mechanical engineering degree, but every time I asked him a technical question about the tools, he'd just give me a sales pitch for the thing I was trying to build for him. He was always pitching for new business, and seemed to struggle to get out of 'sales mode'. I have no doubt that if I were working for him now, he'd be pointing me to an LLM in response to any question.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by tardedmeme on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:32AM (#48294098)
This is why executives think LLMs can replace everyone. They can see it can replace them, and project that onto everyone else. And they don't see the gaps in knowledge because they don't care about the facts, only the presentation.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by simpaticoder on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:37AM (#48295086)
I have a theory that most people at most levels of work deal with the same amount of mental complexity. The difference is that as you move up the unit of abstraction gets larger, so your decisions and knowledge cover more scale. E.g. the engineer thinks about functions; the business owner thinks about products; the investor thinks about companies; the president thinks about nations; etc.

But people at the higher abstraction levels have a problem because they often never had (or lose) the ability to zoom in anywhere. And even the ones that can don't have time to learn to zoom in everywhere so they have to learn how to trust others, aka recognizing shibboleths. AI is great at sounding trustworthy and making reasonable looking output. In so doing, however, it's undermining the utility of shibboleths for large scale thinkers! That is the powerful are now deluding themselves that they have access to infinite reliable experts, and have gained the ability to zoom in everywhere, for only the cost of a data center. In a sense programmer experts like us are lucky because we have objective verification as a feedback loop to temper the exuberance. They do not.

If this is true, the kinds of error modes we'll see will be novel and catastrophic to a large fraction of businesses. If the feedback loops for correction are damaged or destroyed, we'll see firms gleefully, optimistically and energetically committing obvious mistakes until they die.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by cm11 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:07PM (#48297213)
I think agree with the broad, but disagree with the specifics. I really don't think a lot of people at the product level think about products. I really don't think the investors think that much about companies. I think as you move up, the things that separate are (in no order): ability to solve OR mask problems (one of these requires more skill/effort, but to people above they can look a lot closer), ability to naturally or adaptively (this is a fair, but somewhat positive word for this) socialize with the people in that next level, nepotism or blurrier forms of getting your foot in the door, willingness to look the other way (or just be obtuse), willingness to lie (or just be obtuse).

After the IC-level, each level filters less for the duties of the higher role. Even PMs seem surprisingly par at product ideation, vision, insight amongst their cross functional project team members. So many products fail, so many startups fail, so many projects are late, but those things don't seem to be what dictate promotions or investment even when they are specifically that role's role.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by Balgair on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @11:21AM (#48295690)
https://thebullshitmachines.com/

This is a bit dated, but I think the message out of UW is right.

To your point on bosses: Turns out, you can very much bullshit a bullshitter.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by nstart on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:12PM (#48302536)
Also, I submit Ed zitron's the era of the business idiot.

https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-era-of-the-business-idiot/

Lots of little claims I disagree with there but the overall thesis has felt prescient these days

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by alexanderh on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:59AM (#48294506)
damn, this is a real zinger lol. Definitely seems this way.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by theturtlemoves on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:37AM (#48295080)
Maybe unrelated but this memory pops up: I once worked with a mechanical engineer who could not visualize anything in his mind and had quite some trouble with word finding and explaining his ideas. He just couldn't say what needed to be built, he could only evaluate after it was built (often "argh, no not that").

It's as if his training had centered so much on 3d modeling and tangible tweaking as you go, that he hadn't learned to simulate anything with his thoughts before starting. He had to start building it to figure out what he meant. Incredibly creative person, out of the box thinker and big picture visionary, but with difficulty translating his ideas to verbal concrete steps. But nobody realized this, which resulted in a lot of frustration both ways:

"Why didn't you build what I said?" "I did. This is exactly what you said." "No it's not! I said x y z" "Yes you said x y z, this IS x y z" Silence. "Then that's not what I meant"

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by gedy on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @11:50AM (#48296088)
Same, but not sure it's his training and just the way his head works. Have met a lot of people in software who can't draw or understand (very) simple block diagrams of systems. Some people don't have an inner eye.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by alnwlsn on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @12:29PM (#48296668)
Now you know why AI text to CAD works so poorly.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by ai_fry_ur_brain on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:30AM (#48294965)
Its so much worse now.

I deal with this all the time these days. If I ask for some clarification on scope, I usually get these ambiguous answers with fantastical ideas usually concerning some dreamed up impossible to implement tool that people assume is now possible because of AI, because everything is possible to them now!

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by batu1509 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:40AM (#48294210)
The 'AI-generated pseudo-spec' is becoming a massive productivity killer. Non-technical managers prompt an LLM, get a highly confident 5-page document with chosen libraries, and think they've done 80% of the work. But as a developer, you now have to spend hours debugging and debunking hallucinated architectures just to prove why the AI's approach doesn't fit the existing codebase. It completely shifts the burden of actual product management into AI-babysitting for the dev team.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by timbaboon on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @11:38AM (#48295925)
I was discussing a change we wanted to make to some tables in one of the DBs, but it would require a lot of effort because of the sheer size. Anyway, after saying how much effort would be required the response I got was to “please ask ChatGPT.” It gave a slightly different response, but changed it after I presented it with my solution and agreed that was the better approach. Just… sigh
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by xp84 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @01:07PM (#48297219)
"Apologies, you're absolutely right. My initial strategy indeed would have caused a massive database bottleneck because it would lock the entire table. This could result in downtime for the application. Let me know if you'd like me to make a step-by-step plan to implement your solution."
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by simpaticoder on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:30AM (#48294961)
>That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior.

No, that's just disrespectful and entitled behavior from someone in power toward someone without power. I'm sure the person (business owner) felt pleased with themselves for saving so much time and mental effort in the interaction, with additional points for "authenticity" and "honesty" because they didn't hide the fact that they used an LLM. It damaged the relationship slightly but only time will tell if that was meaningful (and the harsh truth is that it probably isn't given the short lifespans of companies).

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by Tangurena2 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:32AM (#48295012)
There's an old computing maxim: GIGO. It used to mean "garbage in, garbage out" meaning that if you put garbage into a computer, then the output was garbage. Nowadays, GIGO means "garbage in, gospel out" meaning that no matter how bad the input was, the output was to be treated as The Word of God.
Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by progbits on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @04:39PM (#48300310)
Since the tool's quality strongly depends on the abilities of the user, I think I prefer:

Garbage Invoker, Garbage Output

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by qwertox on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @10:51AM (#48295257)
Maybe he was trying to say "look, when I can look this up, it means that you can too, i won't put any effort into it, because i pay you, but if i can use AI, so can you."

Maybe that was his rationale, "to educate" by example.

Absolutely nuts to treat employees this way, sending ChatGPT chats around.

Re:I'm Tired of Talking to AI by snarf21 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @11:02AM (#48295411)
At my company, non technical Managers (including marketing folks) are posting Claude and ChatGPT responses in bug tickets with the "fix" for the bug. No explanation of what the expected vs actual behavior is, just AI slop telling me how to fix it. Soooo helpful.