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Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bottlepalm on Friday May 01, 2026 @02:50AM (#47971912)
The Neo as well, I just need a Mac to test with and finding one is ridiculous. Hackintoshes are hell to setup and run like crap. I tried https://www.macincloud.com/ and that was a waste of time. Someone take my money.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by montebicyclelo on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:02AM (#47971976)
Ever considered second hand slightly older gens? Even M1 is still great for many use cases. E.g. often corps are selling them on Ebay, in pretty good condition.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by morphle on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:05AM (#47971989)
Indeed, ton's of refurbished for $250-$300
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bottlepalm on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:23AM (#47972081)
Yea it does look like 5 year old M1's are going for $300 on eBay, but man that's painful a 5 year old machine for that much when you could get a new Neo or Mini for $600, if only you could buy them. I probably should just get the M1, test and sell it back on eBay. Thanks.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by deaux on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:07AM (#47972338)
If you're going to do any kind of work on it I'd choose a 5-year old 16 GB memory M1 over a Neo every single time. 8 GB is what's painful. The CPU difference is very small anyway.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by harambae on Friday May 01, 2026 @05:22PM (#47980522)
Yeah but the base Mac Mini comes with 16GB. So getting that for $600 instead of a very clapped out M1 for $300 seems worth it. That's what I thought when I was browsing on ebay, anyway.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by brailsafe on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:45AM (#47972223)
If you literally just need to borrow one, I'd just buy an Air from Apple directly and then return it within the 14 day window. I'll sometimes do this if I need an extended repair on my personal one, or there's a new mac I want to try.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by valleyer on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:01AM (#47972308)
This is unethical.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by nirava on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:21AM (#47972398)
If the return policy explicitly allows "change of mind", I'd say it's in the gray area. Though ofc it isn't sustainable if everyone starts doing this. I assume there's a ((returns:buys)/payment identity) metric to ban the largest offenders.

Also, there should be some universally accepted way to have access to your data and a secure personal computer in the duration your device is getting repaired.

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by chongli on Friday May 01, 2026 @07:22AM (#47973478)
Also, there should be some universally accepted way to have access to your data and a secure personal computer in the duration your device is getting repaired.

Yes, exactly. When getting your car repaired there’s loaners or rentals to allow you to keep driving. Why isn’t a loaner computer a standard thing?

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by Marsymars on Friday May 01, 2026 @12:14PM (#47976475)
My local library will loan you a Chromebook for up to three weeks (three weeks reserved, can extend if there's availability) at no charge.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by chongli on Friday May 01, 2026 @12:57PM (#47977109)
That’s fantastic for people in the Chromebook ecosystem. They can log in and away they go! Not so great for us in the Apple ecosystem though.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by wildrhythms on Friday May 01, 2026 @07:20AM (#47973462)
Glad to see the hackers have arrived to defend a billion dollar corporation
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by lotsofpulp on Friday May 01, 2026 @08:18AM (#47973932)
Glad to see the people who do not understand tragedy of the commons have arrived.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by brailsafe on Friday May 01, 2026 @06:51PM (#47981425)
I don't think this situation qualifies, or maybe it's on the border. This seems more akin to using all of the bandwidth provided to me by one of a few companies coordinating together to extract as much as possible from their customers. Apple's had a policy like this for ages, if it wasn't more profitable than not for them, then they'd have done something about it under the miserly rule of the outgoing CEO.

Some people occasionally returning products—that they intended to keep or not—is not like all of the energy grid being consumed by data centers, nor is it like all of the wetlands being paved over for suburbs.

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by awakeasleep on Friday May 01, 2026 @11:36PM (#47983078)
Im also against this practice but both of you can be understanding the facts the same and still coming to opposite conclusions. Thats the whole point of the tragedy of the commons!
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by brailsafe on Friday May 01, 2026 @06:32PM (#47981272)
> billion dollar corporation

Multi-trillion dollar corporation*

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by brailsafe on Friday May 01, 2026 @06:38PM (#47981319)
That's not what the employees say! Though it's a rare thing for me to do, it's not like I'm doing something shady, and they're quite happy to say things like "Well, give it a try, if it's not for you, return it", which I'm sure leads to customer comfort and increased sales. Usually I'm also genuinely trying a different product than the one I have, and get to evaluate whether it's any good.

As far as I'm concerned, if I can't work because they have my laptop for a week, especially because I pay for AppleCare and have to leave it with them, it's not much different than an insurance policy that lends me a rental car while mine's in the shop.

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by yreg on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:36AM (#47972164)
Neo isn't much better than M1.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by kalleboo on Friday May 01, 2026 @09:04AM (#47974325)
M1 is even better in some ways, like it has Thunderbolt ports (plural even!).
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by wang_li on Friday May 01, 2026 @09:47AM (#47974778)
In my personal experience, 13” M1 MacBook Air, 15” M4 Macbook Air, M4 Pro Mac Mini, and MacBook Neo, the Neo is the fastest for single threaded and strictly CPU bound tasks. E.g. calculating 200x200, 1000 max iterations Mandelbrot fractals it does ~785 in ten seconds compared to ~760 on the M4s and somewhere in the 600s for the M1.

Given its RAM size I’m not going to be spinning up VMs, but in terms of general purpose computing it’s more than adequate. And, out of the box, you get a word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, video editing, digital audio, web browser, and a bunch of other things. Xcode is free. This is easily a laptop you can buy and use for years in 90% of settings.

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by windowsrookie on Friday May 01, 2026 @12:30PM (#47976681)
I'm not really sure why your neo is performing better than the M4.

The M4 and the neo share the same CPU architecture but the M4 has 4 performance cores at 4.4ghz, while the neo has 2 performance cores at 4ghz.

The neo also does not have any CPU heatsink so it thermal throttles after only a few seconds:

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/MacBo...

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by wang_li on Friday May 01, 2026 @12:53PM (#47977045)
Yes, all the M-series have more cores, they often have better thermal management, and they have more memory bandwidth. (The the Neo still has crazy high bandwidth.) But, for a single threaded, strictly compute task that runs in 10 seconds, it outperforms the M4 cores. I don't know why, I'm just sharing my experience.

The actual code I am using for this is:

    #include <stdio.h>
    #include <sys/time.h>

    int gettimeofday(struct timeval *tp, void *tzp);

    int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
      double xmin, xmax;
      double ymin, ymax;
      double x, y, xs, ys;
      int max_iter;
      int i, px, py;
      int width, height;
      volatile double wx, wy, t;
      double start, now;
      struct timeval tv;
      int count;

      xmin = -2.0;
      ymin = -1.5;
      xmax = 1.0;
      ymax = 1.5;

      max_iter = 1000;
      width = 200;
      height = 200;

      xs = (xmax - xmin) / (double) width;
      ys = (ymax - ymin) / (double) height;

      gettimeofday(&tv, NULL);
      start = (tv.tv_sec * 1000000.0 + tv.tv_usec) / 1000000.0;
      count = 0;
      now = start;
      while (now - start < 10.0 /* && count == 0 */) {
        for (y=ymin, py = 0; py < height; py++, y += ys) {
          for (x=xmin, px = 0; px < width; px++, x += xs) {
            wx = 0.0;
            wy = 0.0;
            for (i=0; i < max_iter && (wx * wx + wy * wy) < 4; i++) {
              t = wx * wx - wy * wy + x;
              wy = 2 * wx * wy + y;
              wx = t;
            }
          }
        }
        gettimeofday(&tv, NULL);
        now = (tv.tv_sec * 1000000.0 + tv.tv_usec) / 1000000.0;
        count ++;
      }
      printf("%d iterations in %.2f seconds.\n", count, now - start);
    }
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by Marsymars on Friday May 01, 2026 @12:17PM (#47976519)
The only place where it seems unequivocally better for mainstream use is hardware AV1 decode.

(If I were building a Jellyfin server today, I'd probably use a MacBook Neo.)

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by MikeNotThePope on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:23AM (#47972412)
If a $300 Mac can do the job, a $600 Mac is overkill.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by solarkraft on Friday May 01, 2026 @08:18AM (#47973926)
They are similarly good. In fact I prefer my M1 MBA to the newer models because of its shape.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by awakeasleep on Friday May 01, 2026 @01:59PM (#47977903)
You’re thinking about these M series macs like they’re computers from the 2010s.

A M1 MacBook Air will perform virtually identically for most if not all laptop computing class tasks.

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bayesnet on Friday May 01, 2026 @07:55AM (#47973737)
Mac prices on eBay are sort of bizarre. Back when I was looking (when you could still purchase a new one in a reasonable timeframe) many of the higher end listings cost as much or more (!) then just getting them from Apple. I ended up buying an Apple certified refurbished Mac Studio for less than the comparable eBay listing.

Not sure who’s buying these or if it’s just people dreaming about finding a rube.

Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by scboffspring on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:05AM (#47971987)
Not sure what happened to you with macincloud, but I used scaleway hosted Mac mini M1 a couple years ago for a self hosted CI server, and it was working very nicely.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bottlepalm on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:19AM (#47972065)
They don't really advertise that you can install nothing on the machine. It's super restricted.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by ZiiS on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:34AM (#47972149)
I think you can at $50/month
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bottlepalm on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:43PM (#47979280)
You're right! That pay as you go plan burned me, $30 to not install any software, but with the dedicated server I can, and I was able to successfully test my app, thanks! You saved me a lot of time and money!
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by hurricanepootis on Friday May 01, 2026 @02:58AM (#47971946)
I remember 4 years ago I was able to setup MacOS in a virtual machine. Maybe you can setup an Intel copy of MacOS on a qemu/kvm virtual machine?
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bottlepalm on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:18AM (#47972062)
I tried this, https://oneclick-macos-simple-kvm.notaperson535.is-a.dev/, it wasn't bad for 'one click install' and got the VM running, it was just unusably slow and burning up my machine. Seems like I need graphics acceleration in the VM which doesn't work on my Ryzen GPU - QEMU running on Windows, and I don't want to deal with dual booting. Literally would rather buy a Mac (if I could).
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by mitjam on Friday May 01, 2026 @10:42AM (#47975350)
You need Mac hardware for this but I run a MacOS VM on Parallels, not connected to my iCloud account. I think it’s nice for OpenClaw and CI.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by morphle on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:05AM (#47971986)
If you send me an email I might have a machine or MacOS VM on that machine you can use.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bottlepalm on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:24AM (#47972086)
Thanks for the offer, think I'm gonna go the eBay route.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by dyauspitr on Friday May 01, 2026 @03:58AM (#47972294)
I don’t even think you can do hackintoshes anymore post Apple silicon right? I remember having one about 10 years ago and it was absolutely fantastic and ran really well. Wish we could do that now so I wouldn’t have to develop apps on my M3 MacBook Air, which constantly runs out of memory and is a huge pain.
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by forsalebypwner on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:39AM (#47972495)
You can for now, but in the very near future (macOS 27 I think?) Apple will completely drop support for Intel, and Hackintosh will be dead
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by Reviving1514 on Friday May 01, 2026 @12:15PM (#47976490)
What issues did you have with macinacloud? In was considering using that to build and sign some dmgs and test my app and would love to know what your experience was like
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by bottlepalm on Friday May 01, 2026 @02:07PM (#47977989)
Ok, I actually tried MacinCloud again and had much better luck. Instead of the pay as you go plan which you need to spend $30 minimum on, I got the $60 dedicated server which allows me to install software, and in turn I was able to test my software without buying a Mac, yay!
Re:Apple Says Mac Studio and Mac Mini Will Be in Short Suppl... by Reviving1514 on Saturday May 02, 2026 @09:53AM (#47986437)
Hah funny I ended up giving it a go and ended up having a lot of trouble - connection issues, display issues, etc. They tried rebooting the machine but no luck.

Just bough a used mac today!