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Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by GeertJohan on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:09AM (#47899390)
A Framework expansion card was also announced this week. https://frame.work/nl/en/products/wisdpi-10g-ethernet-expans...
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by topspin on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:18AM (#47899432)
That link notes:

"Card supports 10Gbit/s and 10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000Mbit/s Ethernet"

Nice to see; some NICs are shedding 10/100 support. Apparently, it's not necessary to do this, even in a low cost device.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by userbinator on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:29AM (#47899475)
Low-cost devices are exactly where 10/100 is still widely used. On PCs, it's a common power-saving mode.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by lostlogin on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:50AM (#47899833)
TVs too.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by geerlingguy on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:16AM (#47901354)
And PoE security cams.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by hsbauauvhabzb on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:10AM (#47899935)
For those of us who don’t know, how does it save power vs a 1gbe running at low throughput?
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by jech on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:16AM (#47900507)
> how does [100BASE-TX] save power vs [1000BASE-T] running at low throughput?

100BASE-TX uses just two pairs (lanes), one for sending and one for receiving. 1000BASE-T uses all four pairs, for both sending and receiving. Therefore, a 100BASE-TX interface that's only receiving needs to power up one pair. A 1000BASE-T interface needs to power all four pairs all the time.

I recall reading about some extensions that allow switching off some of the pairs some of the time ("Green Ethernet"), but I think that they require support on both sides of the link, and I'm not sure if they are widely deployed.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by userbinator on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:40PM (#47907108)
100M also needs much less signal processing, and at lower speed, than 1G.

10M is even simpler, to the point that even a fast MCU can bit-bang it.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by rincebrain on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:37AM (#47909838)
My only annoyance with "Green Ethernet" things is that often they seem to work poorly.

The dedicated machine I still keep around for Windows things has two onboard 2.5GbE ports. It will apparently sometimes, even with all power saving features turned off, randomly negotiate down to 100 mbit if I leave the machine alone for a bit, and then stay at that speed forever unless I manually reset the link after wondering why transferring large amounts of data is bottlenecking severely.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by adastra22 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:37AM (#47900062)
I assume it is for wake-on-LAN. This of course requires the NIC being powered on while the system is sleeping. Lower bandwidth mode = less power draw.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by Tade0 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:11AM (#47899941)
100 mode saved me once when I really really really needed to have a connection in that moment, but the ethernet cable glued to the wall that I was using had only three out of eight wires even functioning.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by winter_blue on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:36AM (#47900349)
Don’t we need at least four for 100 Mbps?
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by Tade0 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:49AM (#47901079)
According to the technician I spoke with, he could only detect three on their end.

The cable was chewed through by cats, so perhaps it was three just in that moment.

The connection was overall unreliable, so I guess it must have been four, just not all of the time.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by reaperducer on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:13AM (#47901703)
According to the technician I spoke with, he could only detect three on their end. The cable was chewed through by cats, so perhaps it was three just in that moment.

Ah, the old Cat-3 cable. Been there.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by bluGill on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:56AM (#47901140)
There is two wire ethernet that supports 100. It isn't common, but automotive is starting to use it.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by gsich on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:52AM (#47901571)
3 pairs probably. But then again you only need 2.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by t312227 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:51AM (#47900114)
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Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by the_mitsuhiko on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:08AM (#47900184)
That hasn't been true on switched networks in probably 20 years or so.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by hnlmorg on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:32AM (#47900320)
Isn’t that only relevant for network topologies that rely heavily on broadcasting to multiple nodes. Eg token ring, WiFi and powerline adapters?

For regular Ethernet, the switch will have a table of which IPs are on which NIC and thus can dynamically send packets at the right transmission protocols supported by those NICs without degrading the service of other NICs.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by hdgvhicv on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:41AM (#47900377)
I’ve seen some vlans hit 1mbit BUM filters, I think we had about 800 users on that one. To saturate a 10m link would require a help of a lot of broadcast traffic.

100m is fine. 10m is fine but I can’t think of anything that negotiates 10m other than maybe WOL (I don’t use it enough to be sure from memory).

If I didn ahve something esoteric it would be on a specialised vlan anyway.

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by namibj on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:44AM (#47907419)
10m is extended reach copper, you can do about triple the range of 100m with approximately the same transceiver analog prowess.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by vardump on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:28AM (#47900290)
We have switches now, hubs just don't exist anymore. Switches are not affected by some devices having a lower speed.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by oliwarner on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:02AM (#47900159)
Is that really true? If so, is there a saner way to handle this than upgrade all the things to 10GBE? Like a POE ethernet condom that interfaces with both network and devices at native max speeds without the core network having to degrade?
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by eqvinox on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:17AM (#47900235)
> Is that really true?

It's not, cf. sibling posts. The GP probably learned networking in the 80ies~90ies when it was true, but those times are long gone.

(unless you're talking wifi.)

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by HHad3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:04AM (#47900170)
That is complete nonsense and not how switched networks work.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by moffkalast on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:09AM (#47900191)
Lots of industrial sensors and devices only do 4 wire 100BASE-TX so if there's no fallback to that it would be a paperweight in those situations.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by junon on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:55AM (#47900423)
100 is needed for embedded stuff, it'd render a lot of devices unusable (wiznet chips are popular and are 100 only). That'd suck.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by Gigachad on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:16AM (#47901724)
IKEA smart home hub is also 100mbit.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by rleigh on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:20AM (#47900535)
There are plenty of embedded chips which only provide RMII. No RGMII or alternatives.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by lucb1e on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:49AM (#47901555)
Low cost? The link mentions no price, only a "notify me" button as far as I can see. Does it show a(n estimated) price point for you somewhere?
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by zamadatix on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:10AM (#47901684)
$99 when I look at the entry in https://frame.work/marketplace/expansion-cards
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by topspin on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:58AM (#47901614)
Low cost, as in not data center/server grade hardware.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by jcalvinowens on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:14AM (#47901708)
I also appreciate the 10/100 support. I recently needed it for some old voip equipment, and it was shockingly difficult to find an SFP+ module that worked in my 10G switch and supported 100mbps.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by sschueller on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:23AM (#47900877)
A Framework SFP+ or SFP28 expansion would be sweet.
Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by retired on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:20PM (#47904258)
The author only got 7Gbps with a Framework 13 and a 10G adapter from the same brand (WisdPi).

If this is the same adapter in a different housing, will it also be limited to 7Gbps?

Re:New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper by geerlingguy on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:25PM (#47905189)
I'm guessing different mainboards could offer better USB port support for Gen 2 2x2, but right now the Ryzen AI 13" chips at least top out at USB4 / 3.2 Gen 2x1