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Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by Tade0 on Monday March 23, 2026 @12:06PM (#47491400)
Only way to have hardware reach this sort of efficiency is to embed the model in hardware.

This exists[0], but the chip in question is physically large and won't fit on a phone.

[0] https://www.anuragk.com/blog/posts/Taalas.html

Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by intrasight on Monday March 23, 2026 @12:26PM (#47491672)
I think for many reasons this will become the dominant paradigm for end user devices.

Moore's law will shrink it to 8mm soon. I think it'll be like a microSD card you plug in.

Or we develop a new silicon process that can mimic synaptic weights in biology. Synapses have plasticity.

Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by bigyabai on Monday March 23, 2026 @12:30PM (#47491729)
One big bottleneck is SRAM cost. Even an 8b model would probably end up being hundreds of dollars to run locally on that kind of hardware. Especially unpalatable if the model quality keeps advancing year-by-year.

> Or we develop a new silicon process that can mimic synaptic weights in biology. Synapses have plasticity.

It's amazing to me that people consider this to be more realistic than FAANG collaborating on a CUDA-killer. I guess Nvidia really does deserve their valuation.

Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by intrasight on Monday March 23, 2026 @12:48PM (#47491962)
> bottleneck is SRAM cost

Not for this approach

Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by tclancy on Monday March 23, 2026 @12:35PM (#47491798)
I think you're ignoring the inevitable march of progress. Phones will get big enough to hold it soon.
Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by tren_hard on Monday March 23, 2026 @02:34PM (#47493388)
Instead of slapping on an extra battery pack, it will be an onboard llm model. Could have lifecycles just like phones.

Getting bigger (foldable) phones, without losing battery life, and running useable models in the same form-factor is a pretty big ask.

Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by RALaBarge on Monday March 23, 2026 @01:34PM (#47492587)
I think the future is the model becoming lighter not the hardware becoming heavier
Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by Tade0 on Monday March 23, 2026 @01:51PM (#47492823)
The hardware will become heavier regardless I'm afraid.
Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by TeMPOraL on Tuesday March 24, 2026 @06:06AM (#47500530)
Good. It's ridiculously tiny and lightweight these days.

Especially with phones; the first thing everyone does after buying their new uber thin iPhone is buying a case for it, which doubles its thickness.

Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by ottah on Monday March 23, 2026 @12:38PM (#47491830)
That's actually pretty cool, but I'd hate to freeze a models weights into silicon without having an incredibly specific and broad usecase.
Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by patapong on Monday March 23, 2026 @01:39PM (#47492644)
Depends on cost IMO - if I could buy a Kimi K2.5 chip for a couple of hundred dollars today I would probably do it.
Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by whatever1 on Monday March 23, 2026 @01:42PM (#47492689)
I mean if it was small enough to fit in an iPhone why not? Every year you would fabricate the new chip with the best model. They do it already with the camera pipeline chips.
Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by superxpro12 on Monday March 23, 2026 @01:46PM (#47492750)
Sounds like just the sort of thing FGPA's were made for.

The $$$ would probably make my eyes bleed tho.

Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by chrsw on Monday March 23, 2026 @02:04PM (#47493006)
Current FPGAs would have terrible performance. We need some new architecture combining ASIC LLM perf and sparse reconfiguration support maybe.
Re:iPhone 17 Pro Demonstrated Running a 400B LLM by 0x457 on Monday March 23, 2026 @02:49PM (#47493575)
Wouldn't it be the opposite of freezing weights?