Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fire truck on runway

Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by cmiles8 on Monday March 23, 2026 @07:24AM (#47487957)

Emergency vehicles were en route to another emergency in progress on the other runway. Sadly it sounds like a fire truck was cleared to cross the active runway moments before the CRJ landed. By the time the controller realized that mistake it was too late.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by _moof on Monday March 23, 2026 @07:28AM (#47487992)

I'm very, very curious about whether the ARFF crew visually cleared the runway and final before crossing the hold short line. It's standard procedure for flight crew to do this, specifically to mitigate the risk of ATC errors.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by PierceJoy on Monday March 23, 2026 @08:13AM (#47488378)

I mean, isn't it obvious that they didn't?

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by wat10000 on Monday March 23, 2026 @08:34AM (#47488603)

It’s obvious that either they didn’t, or they did but they didn’t see the plane. We don’t know which.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by bombcar on Monday March 23, 2026 @08:30AM (#47488551)

At night with multiple runways it can be very hard to see a plane on final.

Still, I'm always hesitant to cross an active runway.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by gortok on Monday March 23, 2026 @09:10AM (#47489020)

Reports are there were fog and rain at La Guardia at the time of the incident. They were on a short final, and it’s entirely possible they were not visible to the fire truck’s crew.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by _moof on Monday March 23, 2026 @02:47PM (#47493549)

I have over 1,000 hours as PIC in the NY area alone, in all seasons and all weather, and I was in the region last night, awake when the accident happened. LGA was reporting 4SM -RA BR FEW045 BKN090 OVC110 at the time of the accident. The weather wasn't anywhere close to what I'd call "bad" here. Sprinkles and some high clouds.

I can almost guarantee you the airplane was visible from taxiway D.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by cpncrunch on Monday March 23, 2026 @05:02PM (#47495071)

You can also see from the videos that they could have easily seen the plane.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by russdill on Monday March 23, 2026 @06:30PM (#47496025)

I want to agree, and it almost certainly seems like the case but visibility can be vary widely by position. So just because the camera was about as far away from the collision as the plane would have been when the truck was entering the runway, it doesn't mean the plane was visible to the firetruck.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by cmiles8 on Monday March 23, 2026 @10:00AM (#47489665)

Yes ARFF should still look before crossing, but the weather wasn’t great with limited visibility and thus even if they looked it’s possible they didn’t see anything.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by arrowsmith on Monday March 23, 2026 @02:35PM (#47493398)

Do we know what the other emergency was? All the reporting I've seen has been very vague on this.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by kayodelycaon on Monday March 23, 2026 @02:45PM (#47493519)

United aircraft did a high speed abort (80+ knots) and afterwards, fumes from hot brakes were entering the back of the cabin. (Not uncommon.)

Source: Mentour Pilot. https://www.youtube.com/live/Bb4CcoK0KLM

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by hattmall on Monday March 23, 2026 @11:04PM (#47498201)

Any idea why they aborted??

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by ms7m on Monday March 23, 2026 @02:40PM (#47493453)

Unrelated United aborted takeoff, as well as reported some odors in the cabin from the flight attendants.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by buildsjets on Monday March 23, 2026 @04:53PM (#47494953)

Odors from the flight attendants? If they were paid better they could shower more frequently.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by hajile on Monday March 23, 2026 @04:27PM (#47494653)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Kqg6sokz4

The truck asks permission to cross. It is given. The truck declares it is going to cross, but the ATC replies "just stop there please".

Also, those runway entry lights look red to me. If so, that should have been a HUGE warning sign to the driver.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by stergios on Monday March 23, 2026 @07:16PM (#47496422)

It was the “truck and company” that was cleared to cross. That’s probably 5+ vehicles you can see following the lead truck that were all approved. All while the jet was on short final. That controller lost situational awareness due to task saturation as a result of emergency aircraft on taxiway parallel to runway 13.

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Re:Jazz CRJ9 at New York on Mar 22nd 2026, collision with fi... by cpncrunch on Monday March 23, 2026 @05:01PM (#47495057)

He said "Frontier 4195 stop there please". Then "stop stop stop stop truckon" By the time he clearly tells "truck 1" to stop, they're already entering the runway. Sounds like a bit of confusion.

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