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Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by dehrmann on Thursday March 19, 2026 @09:57PM (#47449440)
> I actually think it's nice to have both

Options that are equivalent enough for most end users just cause confusion. There are also too many distros, and the Gnome vs. KDE competition set desktop Linux back another 10 years. That's three dimensions of big, important choices with not much downside if you pick the happy path and a whole lot of downside if you don't.

Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by whynotmaybe on Thursday March 19, 2026 @10:40PM (#47449790)
I don't know what's the difference between x11, wayland, gnome, kde and all the others.

The fact that people always debate over which one is best is one of the reason why I don't switch to Linux desktop.

Theres always the sane debate of Macos VS Windows VS Linux. That's a good one for me because there are many pros and cons for each of them.

But then, when you try to really look into Linux, it's an unstoppable flow of "systemd=bad", "snap is bad", “only the distro xyz is the real one because it respects principle abc".

Even the emacs VS vim debate seems saner than this.

I know the underlying spirit of Linux is the liberty to choose whatever you want, but this perpetual debate over which is the best only tricks me into believing that whichever distro I'd choose, it will be the wrong one.

Even for my old media server, there are 3 differents Linux mint : Cinnamon, Xfce and MATE.

What am I supposed to do? Spend a few hours to try each one and find the best for my 13 years old i5 with a Nvidia gt440 that's used 3 hours per month?

Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by boomboomsubban on Thursday March 19, 2026 @11:39PM (#47450197)
>What am I supposed to do? Spend a few hours to try each one and find the best for my 13 years old i5 with a Nvidia gt440 that's used 3 hours per month?

The performance difference will be minimal. It's an aesthetic choice, pick the one you like the look of or give a few of them a try.

It's like cars. Some people have extreme opinions on matters, some would be fine picking almost any car, and most test drive a few before picking their favorite.

Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by reverius42 on Friday March 20, 2026 @12:22AM (#47450466)
Yeah, I think the answer if you aren't sure which car to get is "any of the popular ones are probably fine for you" and that's probably true for Linux distributions and software choices too.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by whynotmaybe on Friday March 20, 2026 @07:30AM (#47453152)
Very good, I'll see it that way now.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by nilamo on Thursday March 19, 2026 @11:21PM (#47450087)
If you have a spare usb stick, the cost to trying them is only the download time. Each is capable of the same things, the differences are purely aesthetic. So try them out and see which you like best. Or install all three and switch each time you login.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by dehrmann on Thursday March 19, 2026 @11:30PM (#47450144)
You actually don't know the true cost until you learn the quirks of the UI, how it handles proprietary drivers, upgrades, the packaging system, how up-to-date and complete its packages are, etc.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by anonzzzies on Thursday March 19, 2026 @11:27PM (#47450129)
Spend a few hours having fun and then not think about it for years.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by hedgehog on Friday March 20, 2026 @12:19AM (#47450451)
If you just want something to use: install one of the most mainstream distros like Ubuntu or Fedora, accept the defaults, and move on with your life. There are compromises in all of the options, even my Mac has a handful of irritating problems.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by teo_zero on Friday March 20, 2026 @02:53AM (#47451320)
> this perpetual debate over which is the best only tricks me into believing that whichever distro I'd choose, it will be the wrong one.

What a bizarre conclusion to draw! Why don't you believe that whichever distro you choose, it will be way better than what you have now?

Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by dehrmann on Friday March 20, 2026 @11:56AM (#47456428)
There was a book on this called "The Paradox of Choice." Its argument is that too many choices stress people out over the fear of choosing wrong.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by xeyownt on Friday March 20, 2026 @03:26AM (#47451550)
Yeah, uniformity of opinions is way better. Or not.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by palata on Friday March 20, 2026 @08:17PM (#47462644)
Well it is fine if Linux is not for you, I want to say.

But in the macOS vs Windows vs Linux debate, obviously one has to say what Linux does differently: and that's exactly what you seem to dislike. I.e. the freedom of choice.

Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by palata on Friday March 20, 2026 @05:32AM (#47452330)
The very reason I like Linux is for this diversity. I genuinely don't really get your point of view, which I actually see a lot, and which to me sounds like you want Windows or macOS, but somehow don't realise it.

Let's imagine this: some company makes an operating system based on Linux, in an efficient manner, by systematically choosing one way to solve a problem (one window manager, one init system, one file system, ...) and trying to meet the requirements of the mass to the detriment of freedom. It exists: it's called Android! Android is great, and it will eventually come to the Desktop for people who don't want Windows or macOS.

But fundamentally, what I call "Linux distributions" is not that. The whole point of Linux distributions, to me, is that even saying "GNU/Linux" doesn't work, because there are other userlands like "busybox/Linux"! Other init systems, other file systems, other windows managers, etc.

The cost of having a powerful core choosing "sane defaults" for the users (Windows, macOS, or similarly Android) is that it is very difficult to modify the system or even contribute to it. Look at e.g. GrapheneOS, an Android alternative (and which I use and love): it relies a lot on Google. Linux distributions are not like that: I can create my own Linux distribution as a weekend project.

Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by NetMageSCW on Friday March 20, 2026 @03:34PM (#47459501)
Some people just want to get work done and fine tuning or customizing their OS is not that.
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by izacus on Friday March 20, 2026 @07:07PM (#47462018)
And the market is full of OSes for them. Why are you unhappy this one isn't?
Re:Wayland set the Linux Desktop back by 10 years? by palata on Friday March 20, 2026 @08:18PM (#47462652)
Sure, I have nothing against that. They should just not tell me that I cannot be different.