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Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by FpUser on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:30PM (#47338554)
Here in Toronto area city of Vaughan pronounced as (/vɔːn/ or /vɑːn/) like in "dawn" or "gone"

Imaging me fresh from USSR asking someone how do I get to ... and getting blank stare

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by bluepeter on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @01:37PM (#47338645)
That's great. What's also amusing is how you felt it necessary to provide the diacritical pronunciation guide for "Vaughan"... because I think to most native English speakers we can't imagine any other pronunciation!
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by FpUser on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @02:00PM (#47338946)
I think native English speaker who had never heard of Vaughan (sure we can find some of those) would likely to pronounce it like "Vog-un" - /ˈvɒɡən/ or "Vog-han" - /ˈvɑːɡən/
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by trollierworm on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:26PM (#47340034)
This sent me down a mental rabbit hole, I think it's one of those interesting nuances that are rules that native speakers follow without being able to name it, or know it. I'm a native speaker, and also thought `vawn` was the most obvious pronounciation. I'm guessing it's because `augh` is perceived as a recognizable vowel cluster where `gh` tends to be silent (daughter, caught, naught, taught). The interesting twist for me is that `laugh` is in obvious counter example, until I realized that gh in final position (laugh, rough, enough) is almost always \f\. And further, in words like laughter, roughness, we immediately distinguish a modified root word from the lexical position.

Maybe there's also an interesting thread to pull on in that the pattern may be more pronounced for names (e.g. Hughes). Just ruminating here though, I don't have a source for any of this.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by b40d-48b2-979e on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @02:05PM (#47339023)
No, I don't think they would. I've never heard of Vaughan and assumed one syllable like the parent commenter.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by SoftTalker on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @02:04PM (#47339000)
No, "gh" is usually silent in English spelling.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by toast0 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:22PM (#47339984)
augh is not as common as ough, but either one can make any sound in the whole syllabary.

How about Sequim, WA. Guess how to pronounciate that.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by philiplu on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @04:47PM (#47341447)
Or Puyallup, WA. Those two are definite shibboleth tests in the PNW.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by bluepeter on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @08:02PM (#47344355)
Pend Oreille is the eastern WA test for western WA.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by canucker2016 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @08:49PM (#47344785)
and for our eastern neighbours: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (and Boise too)

My years of french class steered me wrong there.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by shawn_w on Thursday March 12, 2026 @05:55AM (#47348500)
Des Moines, WA vs Des Moines, IA.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by jhauris on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @02:22PM (#47339222)
Laugh, trough, tough, rough. Maybe it should be "Vawfan"
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by oblio on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @02:27PM (#47339300)
Ghoul.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by card_zero on Thursday March 12, 2026 @02:48AM (#47347318)
Hiccough.

Loughborough, which has it both ways. (Apocryphally pronounced by Australians as "Loogahbaroogah".)

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by nayuki on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:14PM (#47339898)
There are a handful of neighborhood and street names used in Toronto (not necessarily from Toronto) that have unusual pronunciations. Here I'll give some triples of (English spelling, actual pronunciation (IPA), a naive pronunciation (IPA)):

(Yonge, [jʌŋ], [jɑndʒ]); (Strachan, [sdʒɹɑn], [ˈsdʒɹa.tʃæn]); (Tecumseth, [tə.ˈkʌm.zi], [ˈti.kəm.sɛθ]); (Markham, [ˈmɑr.kʌm], [ˈmɑrk.hæm]), (Etobicoke, [ɛ.ˈtoʊ.bɪ.koʊ], [ɛ.ˈtoʊ.bɪ.koʊk]).

See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2cyg6bFeRc , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PmeDWvwD8M

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by glitchc on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:37PM (#47340197)
That's because some are Indigenous names phoneticized for English speakers (Yonge and Markham on the other hand are entirely English names):

Etobicoke. From Adobigok [1]

Tecumseh (or Tecumseth). From tecumtha or takhamehse [2]

Mississauga. From Misi-zaagiing [3]

[1] https://www.etobicokehistorical.com/brief-history-of-etobico...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecumseh

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississauga

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by rapnie on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:23PM (#47340000)
As a non-native English speaker I wonder if Leicester is naturally pronounced right for the natives, or has to be explicitly taught.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by sanswork on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:34PM (#47340160)
It has to be taught. Most english native speakers will say Lie-chester by default.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by loloquwowndueo on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @02:51PM (#47339614)
Typical in Toronto - remember there’s only one T in “Toronto”
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by madcaptenor on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:43PM (#47340274)
There's also only one T in "Atlanta". (For some people there are none.)
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by brutal_noodle on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @06:50AM (#47423983)
Definitely heard "Alana" in the South. On the West cost right now, got a buddy from West Virginia, and even after 20-30-some-odd-years in California, he still says it like that. Among other things he boomhauers.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by madcaptenor on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @04:20PM (#47430920)
I didn't realize "boomhauer" could be verbed.
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by canucker2016 on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:21PM (#47339976)
...and the first o is silent, and the remaining o's are pronounced 'a'.

But the TV news reporters enunciate every letter in Toronto.

Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by FpUser on Wednesday March 11, 2026 @03:13PM (#47339891)
ROFL. I ignore this sacred rule
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by brutal_noodle on Wednesday March 18, 2026 @06:47AM (#47423961)
'oronto?
Re:Why the Global Elite Gave Up on Spelling and Grammar by wlonkly on Thursday March 12, 2026 @09:09AM (#47350070)
Asking people how to pronounce "Strachan Street" is an old Toronto pastime. (Strawn, by the way.)