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Re:Vouch by k8sToGo on Sunday February 08, 2026 @03:47PM (#46938350)
If you want me to read your comment, please pay me $1 first... if I find your comment interesting I might refund.
Re:Vouch by jt2190 on Sunday February 08, 2026 @03:52PM (#46938396)
The market currently values your reading of HN comments at $0.
Re:Vouch by AlexCoventry on Sunday February 08, 2026 @08:00PM (#46940345)
I'm sure astroturfers value it more highly than that.
Re:Vouch by vasco on Monday February 09, 2026 @02:41AM (#46942629)
The only way for you to be sure of that is if you're one.
Re:Vouch by johnnyanmac on Monday February 09, 2026 @03:23AM (#46942934)
I'm sure there's literature out there on how much astroturfers are paid.
Re:Vouch by hermanb on Sunday February 08, 2026 @03:51PM (#46938390)
I had this idea / pet project once where I did exactly this for email. Emails would immediately bounce with payment link and explanation. If you paid you get credit on a ledger per email address. Only then the mail goes through.

You can also integrate it in clients by adding payment/reward claim headers.

Re:Vouch by Fnoord on Sunday February 08, 2026 @05:16PM (#46939122)
Bill Gates already had this idea. All efforts to change email were already documented 25 years ago. The biggest changes are it is more centralized these days, SPF/DKIM/DMARC, JMAP innovation, oh... and one more thing! It is HUGE!! HTML email is the default...
Re:Vouch by TurdF3rguson on Sunday February 08, 2026 @06:23PM (#46939658)
Yeah I remember this from "The Road Ahead" which I chanced upon one time in the 90s. I thought it was a silly idea.
Re:Vouch by zx8080 on Sunday February 08, 2026 @06:56PM (#46939873)
Scammers (and spammers) always got $1! That's why there's a lot of the scam ads on google, fb, apple.

So the paywall email firewall will not work as desired.

Re:Vouch by Dylan16807 on Sunday February 08, 2026 @07:26PM (#46940085)
Not many email attacks are worth an entire dollar. It would be very very effective at reducing spam. And too effective at reducing everything else.
Re:Vouch by zx8080 on Sunday February 08, 2026 @11:09PM (#46941481)
Emails to CEOs they do worth.
Re:Vouch by Dylan16807 on Sunday February 08, 2026 @11:14PM (#46941520)
So only CEOs will get spam, and it's effective for 99.9% of people? I would not describe that as "will not work as desired".
Re:Vouch by AnthonyMouse on Monday February 09, 2026 @12:10AM (#46941789)
And it would even still work for the CEO, they would just have to charge more than $1.

The real problem is we don't have a low-friction digital payment system that allows individuals to automate sending payment requests for small amounts of money to each other without requiring everyone to sign up for a merchant account with a financial bureaucracy.

Re:Vouch by SJC_Hacker on Monday February 09, 2026 @01:54AM (#46942336)
> The real problem is we don't have a low-friction digital payment system that allows individuals to automate sending payment requests for small amounts of money to each other without requiring everyone to sign up for a merchant account with a financial bureaucracy.

Its called cryptocurrency

Re:Vouch by AnthonyMouse on Monday February 09, 2026 @02:03AM (#46942400)
First you have to make it low-friction. If I want Joe Average to send me $1 in cryptocurrency, how is he getting $1 in cryptocurrency to send me?
Re:Vouch by nobody9999 on Monday February 09, 2026 @05:50AM (#46943837)
>First you have to make it low-friction. If I want Joe Average to send me $1 in cryptocurrency, how is he getting $1 in cryptocurrency to send me?

Absolutely. You're 1000% correct. Cryptocurrency is way too high friction for stuff like that. When I wish to spend crypto, I need to:

[If you don't have an exchange account already, you'll need the 0.x steps too!]

0.0 Create an account on an exchange which is legally allowed to operate in your state/country;

0.1 Provide all sorts of KYC/AML info including photos of yourself and your government ID;

0.2 Wait hours/days/weeks for the exchange to "validate" your KYC/AML info and allow you to purchase crypto;

1. Log in to an exchange which is actually allowed to operate in the place where one resides;

2. Purchase Bitcoin or other coin the exchange deems appropriate (leaving aside the hefty fee charged for using fiat currency/traditional credit card);

3. Wait days/weeks until the exchange allows you to transfer the purchased cryptocurrency out of your exchange-hosted wallet;

4. Transfer crypto to a wallet you actually control;

5. Convert the crypto purchased on the exchange to the crypto coin required for whatever your purpose may be;

6. Transmit the crypto to the destination wallet.

Total time (not including setting up the exchange account, which can take anywhere from 1-10 days): 3-10 days.

Much too high friction for small payments, IMHO.

Re:Vouch by SJC_Hacker on Monday February 09, 2026 @09:32AM (#46945608)
All the setup is no worse than setting up a bank account

And technically it can be avoided through back channels if you know someone who already has it - can just pay them cash or whatever and they can send crypto to you

Crypto is very easy to transfer once you have a wallet

Its the exchange to/from real world currency where the friction is.

Re:Vouch by Dylan16807 on Monday February 09, 2026 @12:51PM (#46948387)
> All the setup is no worse than setting up a bank account

Which is a huge pain in the butt. If someone invented a new lower-spam email ecosystem that required everyone to make a new bank account, very few people would join.

I would say something about a combined account but many countries have already figured out free bank transfers without needing crypto so maybe do that?

Re:Vouch by nobody9999 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @11:38AM (#46977168)
Sorry for the late reply.

You're correct, as far as it goes.

However, we weren't talking about using cryptocurrency in general, but in a very specific way: Making micropayments to devs as a mechanism to limit AI slop PRs to open source projects.

Doing that effectively would require broad implementation of some sort of payment scheme.

Given the current (as I documented) hoops one needs to jump through to obtain cryptocurrency if one doesn't have any, especially just for a random user to get crypto to send $1 to a github repo with their PR makes exactly zero sense.

Yes. Buying drugs and other stuff outside of the mainstream economy is definitely worth the effort. To send $1/PR for escrow to limit spam? Not so much.

Re:Vouch by fragmede on Monday February 09, 2026 @07:10PM (#46953515)
There is no shortage of apps to do that these days. Venmo and CashApp are pretty mainstream for people in the US.
Re:Vouch by zx8080 on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @10:45PM (#46970535)
I'll better keep the $1 to myself than go through the crazy 35 steps KYC onboarding form just to send that $1.
Re:Vouch by eps on Tuesday February 10, 2026 @04:48AM (#46957425)
Who's hit with the transaction fees though?