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Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by WhyNotHugo on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @01:25PM (#46709468)
The statistics in this article sound like garbage to me.

Google used by 90% or the world?

~20% of the human population lives in countries where Google is blocked.

OTOH, Baidu is the #1 search engine in China, which has over 15% of the world’s population… but doesn’t reach 1%?

These stats are made measuring US-based traffic, rather than “worldwide” as they claim.

Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by weisnobody on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @02:51PM (#46710660)
Yes the stats don't make sense. It appears to be an issue with StatsCounter.

The Search Engine wikipedia article [1] has a section on Russia and East Asia market share, which confirms that the roll up used for world wide counts is off, unless the number of people using the Internet is drastically different in some of the countries.

Russia

  * Yandex: 70.7%
  * Google: 23.3%
China:

  * Baidu: 59.3%
  * Other domestic engines: "smaller shares"
  * Bing: 13.6%
South Korea:

  * Naver: 59.8%
  * Google: 35.4%
Japan: * Google: 76.2% * Yahoo! Japan: 15.8%

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine#Market_share

Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by dylan604 on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @05:12PM (#46712343)
Maybe it's the same logic that says you can lower the prices of things >100%
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by lolc on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @01:40PM (#46709662)
I guess they'd argue that the people in China don't count, because people in China don't get to choose Google. But yeah, the stats they use from "StatCounter" are clearly not representative for what the world uses.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by elAhmo on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @02:30PM (#46710332)
You can argue that people outside of China don't get to choose something other than Google. Sure, there are recent pushes with default search engine choices and similar initiatives, but there is a reason why Google is paying hundreds of millions of dollars to be the default search engine.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by tyre on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @10:26PM (#46714910)
It’s reasonable to see a distinction between the great firewall and the default browser search engine
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by manquer on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @10:27PM (#46714927)
Market share is based on factual consumption numbers however subsidized or regulated by a government not free will.

Choice/Free will is an arbitrary line in the sand, one could argue how much choice we have about consuming google search when it is "85-90"% monopolistic business with well documented anti-competitive practices.

Chinese consumers perhaps have more choice than we do, Baidu is only about 60% market share. They do get to choose, it more that Google is not one of the options available to them, it is not like if not Baidu then it is a Phone Book.

Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by ivanjermakov on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @03:02PM (#46710789)
To be fair, Kagi won't be used in China either.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by faitswulff on Thursday January 22, 2026 @09:37AM (#46719754)
I have used it from China, actually. Not big enough to be blocked.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by 0x1ch on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @01:32PM (#46709553)
Google is only blocked in places where it would already be hard for a company with morals to work in, if not outright blocked as well. This probably represents traffic globally, excluding those places.

Instead of downvoting blindly, please state which countries are currently blocking Google that would willingly allow Kagi, a AI/Privacy focused search engine company to exist in their domain? The results may surprise you!

Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by direwolf20 on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @03:37PM (#46711204)
Google is not blocked in the USA.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by 0x1ch on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @04:21PM (#46711734)
Interesting. I'm in the US and use Kagi everyday.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by dylan604 on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @05:14PM (#46712364)
I read it more as "company having morals". Not many US companies have "morals".
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by 0x1ch on Wednesday January 21, 2026 @05:18PM (#46712421)
Google doesn't, Kagi seems to (hopefully). I meant this more as a jab at countries willing to block Google, as they're generally dictatorships / authoritarian in nature. Oh the irony, as an american saying this in 2026....
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by lostlogin on Thursday January 22, 2026 @04:30AM (#46716998)
They do, but do they align with your own?

It’s difficult, because Kagi results are so good and the alternatives are often business that behave worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797

Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by direwolf20 on Thursday January 22, 2026 @11:35AM (#46721548)
I've heard Yandex results are good, and they often avoid Google bias. I have no moral problem with Kagi integrating results from Yandex and Google.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by 0x1ch on Thursday January 22, 2026 @11:43AM (#46721675)
The yandex thing seems to be an argument made in bad faith at this point.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by mrweasel on Thursday January 22, 2026 @10:19AM (#46720368)
So you use Google. Kagi still rely on Googles index.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by PunchTornado on Thursday January 22, 2026 @02:54AM (#46716413)
there is no where in the article where they mention this (not even an * saying what they exclude).

they present numbers and say "world" like whole countries and groups of people don't matter. very arrogant.

Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by elektronika on Thursday January 22, 2026 @11:35AM (#46721560)
Google and Facebook would be very happy to operate in China, but they're too closely tied to the US intelligence apparatus to agree to the terms that China requires.
Re:Waiting for dawn in search: Search index, Google rulings ... by g947o on Friday January 23, 2026 @06:21AM (#46731177)
For years Facebook wanted to get into Chinese market, so much that Zuckerberg asked Xi Jinping to name his child: https://www.the-independent.com/news/people/china-s-presiden...

No I didn't make this up.

And there was reporting like this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zuckerberg-s-meta-was-w...

Although a few years they seemed to completely abandon the effort and started to criticize China, although I can't find the article.

You'll be amazed at how quickly Zuckerberg "adapts" to things. Which is why I never trust a single word that comes out of his mouth.