Don't apologize for actual, literal Nazis murdering civilians in broad daylight.
Well, thankfully, there don't seem to be any! Phew, crisis averted.
Just law enforcement officers and the typical incidents involving non-compliant citizens putting themselves in unwise positions by refising to answer basic questions and disobeying direct basic orders ("Exit your vehicle").
And you have no idea who me and the ones like me are. We are not "left wing" or "liberal" as the two things you brought up would imply . You will be purged like the communists. Losing the right to vote and hold firearms permanently.and even your family and associates monitored for generations to make sure this treason is fully stamped out.
Bizarre. Not only against the rules of HN, but bordering on illegal as well.
Turns out you don't actually care about Trump "destroying democracy" or "ICE acting like Nazis", it's that you want to BE the Nazis and the one in power so you can kill, censor, and surveil those you disagree with.
Oh well, we have the Second Amendment for a reason. Should weirdo freaks like yourself attempt to do even half the things you've delusionally threatened to the United States and her people, they may find it difficult when they're stuck six feet under. Never thought I'd have to defend my country from hostile National Socialist takeover alongside my fellow countrymen, just as my grandfather did generations ago. Poetic, in a sense.
Specifically us code title 18 section 2381-2385
And UCMJ articles 94. 134. 106a and dozens more .
I hope you get that world. I hope no innocent person has to live it with you.
You're exactly the reason free societies can successfully go down the path to dystopian authoritarianism. I hate you.
And if they weren't wearing masks, you, and people like you, would be the first ones running to publicize their names and ruin or outright end their lives.
> I hope you get that world. I hope no innocent person has to live it with you.
Lol, I already experience it with TSA every time I want to fly, and somehow we all decided that was okay. This is no worse than that.
> You're exactly the reason free societies can successfully go down the path to dystopian authoritarianism.
Right, we all know free societies are defined by being completely lawless with no law enforcement whatsoever. Ask all those free societies in the Middle East what they think about living in the midst of a power vacuum! I'm sure they love it.
> I hate you.
uhh, cry about it, I guess? I don't particularly like people like you either, but I can't say I feel strongly enough to even consider it hate. I guess it's closest to some combination of 'pity' and 'annoyance'.
Also, you should take a moment to familiarize yourself with HN's rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
So you want the police to be secret. A sort of… secret police? Got it!
> Lol, I already experience it with TSA every time I want to fly, and somehow we all decided that was okay. This is no worse than that.
How often does the TSA arrest, rendition, or kill, people? And nomatter whether we decide that flying is a right or a privilege, I'm sure we can agree that it's a very small part of life compared to all the other parts, right? The parts that Trump's secret police are claiming jurisdiction over. Ok, good. So it's literally A LOT WORSE THAN THAT! Jesus.
> Right, we all know free societies are defined by being completely lawless with no law enforcement whatsoever. Ask all those free societies in the Middle East what they think about living in the midst of a power vacuum! I'm sure they love it.
Huh? You can't seriously thing that anyone will buy that this follows. Please at least _try_ when you're misrepresenting my views.
> uhh, cry about it, I guess?
Ah yes, the trumpian response. Fantastic.
Agreed. The actual, literal Nazis showed their faces. These are just plain hired thugs.
For those who insist on Nazi analogies, ICE is SA, not the Gestapo. Another apt comparison might be to Sinclair Lewis's 'Minute Men' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here).
Note that in Brosseau v. Haugen, the court ruled explicitly that even a car driving AWAY from an agent can be considered an imminent deadly threat, and that firing multiple times can be justified.
In fact, that case was even murkier because the target was shot in the back (versus getting shot through the windscreen into the chest), and more bullets were discharged, and the car was further away!
Jonathan Ross, who killed an unarmed observer trying to drive away from him, has allegedly completed advanced firearms training and maintained expert marksman qualifications according to DHS Assistant Secretary McLaughlin.
He shot to kill.
And then him and his pals barred a doctor from trying to help the victim.
There's so many videos from all angles it's really undisputable ("alternative facts" narrative non-withstanding).
>him and his pals barred a doctor from trying to help the victim
Do you think police should allow a random guy claiming to be a doctor into an active crime scene to tamper with evidence? Or wait for an actual paramedic to show up? Not that it means absolutely anything at all, because given she was shot three times, twice in the chest, she was absolutely dead and there was no saving her, especially not by a random physician.
>There's so many videos from all angles it's really undisputable
You'll dispute the fact she hit him, though. Despite the evidence.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/experts-analyze-new-v...
"Johnson said his biggest takeaway from the video was a crunching sound he heard immediately before the gunshots, which he believes is the sound of the SUV hitting the ICE agent."
"That data point for me shows that there was contact made with the agent, who is now in reasonable fear, who could clearly articulate being hit with an SUV as reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. And then the shots were fired," said Johnson.
Parent comment appears to have in mind either reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe a felony was committed. So not identical at all — nor clear.
Also questionable whether any commands were lawful.
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/experts-analyze-new-v...
CBS found the opposite, that she hit him.
If it was their home phone numbers and addresses it might be slightly less clear. But it isn't. Take a look yourself before asking an obvious question next time.
doxxing OTOH is when you try to get an innocent person to be attacked by law enforcement on some fabricated reason.