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Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by andersonpico on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:33AM (#46514511)
their cynicism is perfectly understandable once you correctly identified the demographics (which you did), so I'm not sure why you're holding pessimism against poor people with a bleak future; like it or not that's far more anchored in reality than anything around these parts, as there are far more people with "bottom rung jobs" than software developers and VC investors in the bay area.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by tjwebbnorfolk on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:37AM (#46514573)
Most people in the US begin life poor, and most of them are not poor forever. I wouldn't call this a "bleak future". I was definitely poor when I was 18, but I wasn't pessimistic. Pessimism at such a young age is almost always a mistake.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by lbrito on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:16PM (#46515213)
Social mobility is decreasing since the 1980s. This is increasingly closer to not being true anymore.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by tjwebbnorfolk on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @02:50PM (#46517631)
Yes it has decreased from an amazingly high level to only a reasonably good level compared to most of the world's population.

This is no reason for abject pessimism at 18 years old.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by lbrito on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @04:03PM (#46518699)
I'd like to challenge that. Historical comparisons aside, looking just at today, if you're saying that social mobility is very good in the USA compared to most of the world, what are you basing that claim on?

I would think something like Gini combined with HDI and GDP per capita, on which the US only fares well on the latter. I found out there is something called Global Social Mobility Index, done by the WEF, and it places the US in 27th.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by tjwebbnorfolk on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @04:35PM (#46519159)
I'm basing on my assumption vast majority of the world's people would love to be 27th.

And this is borne out in emigration patterns and visa applications...

It feels like we expect to be #1 in every category and we're unable to recognize that the US has it pretty damn good in a lot of important ways. Envy is the thief of happiness.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by tjwebbnorfolk on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @04:42PM (#46519264)
Also looking a bit more at the GSMI: a lot of those criteria are based on current social welfare benefits received by the population. Many of which programs are not sustainable in the long run.

Of course the US has less of a social safety net than Norway, a petrostate with trillions of dollars in a national oil endowment, and ~half of their GDP is from fossil fuels. I don't know that I'd want to move to Norway for the kind of "social mobility" that I'm after.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by overfeed on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:56AM (#46514868)
> Most people in the US begin life poor, and most of them are not poor forever

Thank heavens young Americans can look forward to a $63k/year median income.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by lukan on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:44AM (#46514666)
"Pessimism at such a young age is almost always a mistake."

Is pessimism a consciouss choice?

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by hn_go_brrrrr on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:49AM (#46514744)
You can develop pessimism without a conscious choice, but once you become aware of how negative your outlook is, it's a conscious choice to not try to do better.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by bigbadfeline on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:27PM (#46516385)
Being pessimistic about pessimism is individual-damaging and socially ruinous.

One can develop pessimism about pessimism without a conscious choice, but once you become aware of how negative your outlook on pessimism is, it's a conscious choice to not try to figure out the different meanings of that word and how important it is for the proper functioning of democracy.

Maybe read Orwell for a glimpse of mandatory optimism:

"The Ministry of Love was the really frightening one... Winston turned round abruptly. He had set his features into the expression of quiet optimism which it was advisable to wear when facing the telescreen.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by artur_makly on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:14PM (#46516174)
with some it's an celebrated lifestyle: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPCJpclgW04/
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by tjwebbnorfolk on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @02:51PM (#46517652)
Indeed most choices we think we "make" are unconscious choices due to our environment. That does not mean we cannot introspect and learn and consciously change them.

I am much more pessimistic generally than I was 20 years ago. But that's something I work on, not something I accept passively as a fact of life.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by carlosjobim on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @04:51PM (#46519385)
Yes. It is mostly because of environment, and you can change your environment.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by layer8 on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:32PM (#46515493)
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by wavemode on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @11:50AM (#46514756)
The subtext is that most Redditors have significantly better lives than 90% of people on Earth.

Life is bleak if you perceive it to be bleak.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by fwip on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:05PM (#46515009)
It depends on how you measure quality of life.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by mikkupikku on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:13PM (#46515159)
I can't afford the yacht lifestyle enjoyed by Jeff Bezos, so my life is ruined. #EatTheRich
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by goatlover on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:36PM (#46515531)
More like the super rich have huge influence over politics and can buy media companies to push their preferred narrative. Elon being the most visible example.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by mikkupikku on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:27PM (#46518170)
I'm not a member of the richest most powerful group of people ever, and my government falls far short of the ideal I envision, therefore I cannot possibly enjoy my life.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by RiverCrochet on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:06PM (#46516041)
Who at this point trusts any media anymore?
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by fwip on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:39PM (#46515583)
See, that's just using the same measuring rod. If you measure quality of life by income, yes, even poor Americans live good lives compared to the rest of the world.

There are many other factors you could evaluate it on, though, and many of them are harder to quantify. Stuff like personal agency, status, leisure time, social life, community cohesion, etc.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:22PM (#46515324)
Who in the world has it worst? I want to make sure I listen to the right person.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by groundzeros2015 on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:10PM (#46516106)
You act like this is an enigma. Let’s start with people without college degrees and no family history of college degrees.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @02:28PM (#46517307)
Surely there are people who have it worse than that, no?
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by mikkupikku on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:50PM (#46518491)
It isn't necessary to identify the world's most unfortunate person to recognize that most redditors have privileged lives, yet choose to wallow in misery.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by kelseyfrog on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:56PM (#46518600)
I just choose to not let what redditors do bother me.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by next_xibalba on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:09PM (#46516103)
To wit, the vast majority of them have:

- easy access to clean water

- sufficient calories

- safe shelter

- education (presumably they can read and write if they’re on Reddit)

- internet access

- free time (can’t be writing nasty comments on Reddit if you’re swinging a pick axe in a coal mine)

Many of these things can’t be claimed by millions in the world.

And yet, it’s one of the most cynical, negative places on the internet.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by _DeadFred_ on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:20PM (#46516281)
This is not the 1950s. Most American's have internet, where they can see average people living lives around the world. Their houses may be a bit worse, but their cars are normally newer, they have internet, they have FAMILY. They have vibrant COMMUNITY. They have free time.
Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by 306bobby on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:23PM (#46530322)
Are you not agreeing with their point?

Everything you listed are reasons NOT to be so cynical

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by _DeadFred_ on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:18PM (#46516233)
You mean most Redditors live in a country with a higher GDP than 90% of people on Earth. That doesn't necessarily translate into 'significantly better lives', especially in a country with wealth gaps such as the USA has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiymTzsZfoA

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by patcon on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:06PM (#46516050)
> like it or not that's far more anchored in reality than anything around these parts

TRUTH.

Re:65% of Hacker News Posts Have Negative Sentiment, and The... by groundzeros2015 on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:07PM (#46516065)
I don’t think Reddit is representative of poor people. It skews educated and white collar.