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Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by MoltenMan on Saturday December 27, 2025 @10:53PM (#46408250)
I can't say I understand the Palantir hate. Isn't it just a database analytics SaaS? Why not hate Google as well because government employees who do things you don't like use Google? Is the Palantir hate just manufactured pointless rage or is there an actual reason behind it?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by m4ck_ on Saturday December 27, 2025 @11:55PM (#46408584)
Palantir puts money in some of the worst people on this planet's pockets, that's reason enough? Theil and co are trying to set up their little "arbeit macht frei" cities and replace democracy with some kind of neo-feudalism where his kind get to play absolute monarch.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by p0w3n3d on Sunday December 28, 2025 @02:24AM (#46409152)
Everyone here is writing as if it was obvious, but I need more details. Could you please share any links on the subject?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by KaiserPro on Sunday December 28, 2025 @04:01AM (#46409563)
Karp memorised oswald mosley's speech for capitulating to hitler: https://nypost.com/2025/11/18/us-news/why-eccentric-palantir...

At best thats wierd, at worst he's an actual fascist

(context: Oswald created and ran the british union of fascists in the UK, married the diana mitford with both Goebbels and Hitler present. )

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mlrtime on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:01AM (#46410777)
Ahh yes, the left's version of "If you don't agree with us on everything you are a fascist." Boring.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by filleduchaos on Sunday December 28, 2025 @11:28AM (#46412201)
"If you don't agree with us on everything" and it's someone whose wedding Goebbels and Hitler attended?

Interesting.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mlrtime on Monday December 29, 2025 @04:00PM (#46425609)
Godwin's law is irrelevant now.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by KaiserPro on Sunday December 28, 2025 @12:34PM (#46412747)
Karp isn't british, and its not like Oswald Mosley is that well known in the UK.

Mosley's speeches are not common knowledge. For example if you reference "rivers of blood" someone who's vaguely knowledgable in British politics will have a basic understanding of the reference. (Enoch Powell)

if you said "Hurray for the black shirts" someone might know you're talking about the daily mail's endorsement of Mosely. But thats the Dailymail, not Mosley.

But if you say "britian first speech" you'll get blank looks. Even if you're a politics nerd.

So for someone who is pretty uninterested in british politics, to memorise a speech from oswald mosley, is deeply fucking weird. Now, if that had been some politician like Lloyd George or Disraeli, you know someone who was actually a good orator, still weird, but not much else.

To memorise a speech from a fascist, who married a fascist, organised a fascist party, was interred for being a fascist, and tell it back to the grandson of that fascist, who you employed mainly because he's the grandson of the fascist, is big fucking tell that he's a bit fascist.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by Dambalala on Monday December 29, 2025 @08:47AM (#46420711)
I discussed this with an AI and we concluded:

The 1939 Mosley speech at Earls Court was an antisemitic, fascist, anti-parliament speech framed as a call for peace with Nazi Germany and for authoritarian national renewal. Karp quoting it in an interview isn’t evidence of sympathy; it fits his reputation for provocation rather than any shared ideology. The speech itself is a clear example of populist authoritarian rhetoric built on grievance, elite conspiracy, and rejection of liberal democracy.

Fascinating that Karp reportedly recited part of the speech to Mosley’s grandson, did some tai chi, left without a goodbye, and then hired him to run Palantir’s UK operation.

The speech text is online, but I’m hesitant to link it directly given sensitivities around perceived extremist material and online moderation in the UK.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by KaiserPro on Tuesday December 30, 2025 @11:00AM (#46434620)
> online moderation in the UK.

I'm british, fuck that. Read it here:

https://www.oswaldmosley.com/britain-first-rally-1939/

Also I'd recomend reading it, rather than getting a summary. because you need to see the banality of what he's asking for, and how tame (sadly) it is compared to currently pricks like Jenrick and Farage are asking for now.

> Fascinating that Karp reportedly recited part of the speech to Mosley’s grandson

recited from memory Again, at best its deeply weird, ungenerously its a power play, at worst is someone who's fascinated by fascism.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by m4ck_ on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:20AM (#46410886)
Sure thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Cities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%B3spera

They want to establish cities that are exempt from most US law and regulation (or whatever host country they leech on to), giving the company that owns the city basically complete power over everything and everyone that has the misfortune to be there.

The US recently pardoned a major narco-terrorsist in the hopes of propping up the Honduran experiment.

I'll preempt anyone else: Yes I probably exaggerated a bit in how I described the idea. Still, these assholes are working to eliminate wages, labor laws, environmental regs, property ownership, etc.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by BrenBarn on Saturday December 27, 2025 @11:00PM (#46408290)
I think a fair number of people who hate Palantir do hate Google too.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by lithocarpus on Saturday December 27, 2025 @11:00PM (#46408296)
Palantir is more directly involved in the surveillance state and military industrial complex.

Not saying Google isn't, but it's at least not as public or blatant, and is much less of what Google does overall.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by cheraderama on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:34AM (#46411346)
Tbh I think public and blatant is preferable.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by aprilthird2021 on Saturday December 27, 2025 @11:28PM (#46408448)
Palantir makes AI to determine if who you are auto droning is a valid target or not. You can imagine why people dislike that, especially given that it's been deployed in Palestine
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by pageandrew on Saturday December 27, 2025 @11:58PM (#46408597)
Would you prefer that militaries have less-capable software to make targeting decisions?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by hackable_sand on Sunday December 28, 2025 @12:39AM (#46408752)
I would prefer that militaries do not deliberately genocide civilians and antagonize non-combatants.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by XorNot on Sunday December 28, 2025 @02:12AM (#46409112)
That's a "motherhood statement"[1] - you haven't answered the question.

Militaries make targeting decisions with data. That's entirely separate to whether they have been ordered by civilian government to target something, and Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?)

1. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by hackable_sand on Sunday December 28, 2025 @03:42AM (#46409486)
Oh sorry I mean

Yes, citizen-friend! I have upheld the Prime Directive and participated in our routine civic sports. Next month I will initiate the annual tributary credit transfer so that the oracle may see more clearly.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by dwb on Sunday December 28, 2025 @03:19AM (#46409389)
No it’s not. It’s totally conceivable that the (perceived) quality of targeting data would contribute to the decision of whether to run a mission at all, and if so how extensively.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by whimsicalism on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:03AM (#46410785)
isn’t that essentially true of any technology that reduces the civilian casualties of a conflict?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by dwb on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:08AM (#46411165)
The companies involved definitely want you to think that part of their noble goal is reducing civilian casualties. As far as I can see, though, that is pure propaganda.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by rkomorn on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:09AM (#46411170)
You can reduce civilian casualties by reducing the number of people considered civilians.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by whimsicalism on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:19AM (#46411238)
i am not saying that is the case here, all i am saying is that your argument would apply to any technology that lets you better differentiate/target enemies vs. civilians, which suggests to me it is overbroad.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by dwb on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:49AM (#46411442)
You are reading perhaps more generality than I intended. To be clear, I am talking about the present greater-Anglo-American military-industrial complex, driven by present ideologies, in which the distinction between “enemy” and “civilian” itself is extremely debatable.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mexicocitinluez on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:03AM (#46410787)
Absolutely.

And that the people who stand to benefit the most from another war might want to filter/target that data in a way to make that more probable?

I mean, I know it's a stretch. Especially with how benevolent our current class of billionaires are. But just imagine a guy who thinks money is more important than anything else. I know... another stretch. lol.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mexicocitinluez on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:02AM (#46410780)
> > Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?)

You're not actually suggesting that the company providing the data isn't at all part of that process, are you?

Can you, for a second, imagine a company collecting/forwarding only data that's beneficial to it's core objective? Especially one whose led by a guy who has quite literally benefits off of a war????

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by XorNot on Monday December 29, 2025 @03:26AM (#46418583)
I am 100% sure you have absolutely no idea what Palantir actually do, and I suggest you go actually read about it. There's plenty of resources out there which will explain in considerable detail what the product is, what the services are, how the services get provided, and the benefits (for example one of Palantir's premier operations is "forward deployed engineers" - which is super-handy for organizations which work in government because it means they come to you and do the installs and setup, but don't keep or even have access to any of the data - the relationship is between you and the specific employees - who in turn need to have Federal clearances - and not Palantir corporate).

This arrangement is extremely conventional, but most company's hate doing it and so don't unless they're operating with the expertise to manage those types of orgs (which is usually only profitable if you have a unique advantage or specialize in seeking a lot of contracts and then navigate the data handling rules to realize - hopefully - some synergies).

I don't like Thiel, but his detractors are also very obviously ignorant as to how any of the Federal government normally works.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mexicocitinluez on Monday December 29, 2025 @07:17AM (#46419928)
lol Found Karpas burner account

You're not actually contending that people at Palantir don't need clearances are you?

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by berkanunal on Sunday December 28, 2025 @03:45AM (#46409496)
How capable it is do you think at this moment. I guess we need 30 more years for software to get better, so less than 20 thousand children dies in the Gaza genocide.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by pxoe on Sunday December 28, 2025 @04:41AM (#46409779)
Perhaps it would be preferable at least to not mix civilian health data or regular business data, with mass surveillance data, and with military industrial complex and kill chain data. It would make sense to have an interest in keeping different kinds of personal data in separate places and not have it thrown around companies with quite different interests or collected together within some company that's involved in quite different industries. So why does it not make sense to apologists of this company?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by s1artibartfast on Sunday December 28, 2025 @11:16AM (#46412101)
Are you claiming palantir will put a back door in their software and steal NHS data?

If so, is there any example of them ever doing this to a customer, or is it baseless speculation?

Alternatively, are you climing the NHS is giving planter data and usage rights?

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by pxoe on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:01PM (#46416628)
It doesn't matter whether they do or not, the desire to keep separate things separate could be there as is. It might as well not be any of that but just about the kinds of things some companies are involved in.

Again, kind of amusing how that immediately devolves into "are you making an accusation".

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by xboxnolifes on Sunday December 28, 2025 @12:31AM (#46408713)
Palantir might just pretty up the display of the data that is aggregated by other vendors, which source their data from other vendors, who collect their data from "opt-in" services, which technically explain how they work somewhere in a 200 page ToS. But at some point you gotta look at the sum of the incremental issues and say enough is enough.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by tombert on Sunday December 28, 2025 @12:35AM (#46408732)
You should probably hate Google too, but I think a lot of Palantir hate comes from (well deserved) hatred for Peter Thiel, who has injected himself directly into conservative politics.

Billionaires buying their way into the political system should be hated implicitly, no matter their political affiliation.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by max_ on Sunday December 28, 2025 @02:56AM (#46409302)
Palantir is a spyware company and the CEO Alex Karp has explicitly said that thier goal is to use their tooling to create fear in people and kill people (i.e people deemed enemies of the United States)
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mlrtime on Sunday December 28, 2025 @07:59AM (#46410759)
Are you talking about the quote where he referred to people brining Fentanyl in that is killing people?

I didn't see anything wrong with his little speech.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by max_ on Sunday December 28, 2025 @02:01PM (#46413493)
Nope, I'm talking about this, its an older video

https://youtu.be/G5gC_fParbY

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by int_19h on Sunday December 28, 2025 @05:02AM (#46409916)
Google at least pretends to "not be evil".

Palantir is proud of their work on the ICE contract.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by pelorat on Sunday December 28, 2025 @05:13AM (#46409977)
Because the founders are evil and should in in prison?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by didntknowyou on Sunday December 28, 2025 @07:11AM (#46410500)
with a CEO that openly boast their product is great at getting data to kill people, what's there not to hate?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by frm88 on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:52AM (#46411093)
Palantir have the means and at least in the U. S. the call to compile a database combining personal data over many (public) agencies, making a comprehensive surveillance of a population possible: https://web.archive.org/web/20250530212437/https://www.nytim...