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Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by aprilthird2021 on Saturday December 27, 2025 @11:28PM (#46408448)
Palantir makes AI to determine if who you are auto droning is a valid target or not. You can imagine why people dislike that, especially given that it's been deployed in Palestine
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by pageandrew on Saturday December 27, 2025 @11:58PM (#46408597)
Would you prefer that militaries have less-capable software to make targeting decisions?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by hackable_sand on Sunday December 28, 2025 @12:39AM (#46408752)
I would prefer that militaries do not deliberately genocide civilians and antagonize non-combatants.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by XorNot on Sunday December 28, 2025 @02:12AM (#46409112)
That's a "motherhood statement"[1] - you haven't answered the question.

Militaries make targeting decisions with data. That's entirely separate to whether they have been ordered by civilian government to target something, and Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?)

1. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/motherhood_statement

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by hackable_sand on Sunday December 28, 2025 @03:42AM (#46409486)
Oh sorry I mean

Yes, citizen-friend! I have upheld the Prime Directive and participated in our routine civic sports. Next month I will initiate the annual tributary credit transfer so that the oracle may see more clearly.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by dwb on Sunday December 28, 2025 @03:19AM (#46409389)
No it’s not. It’s totally conceivable that the (perceived) quality of targeting data would contribute to the decision of whether to run a mission at all, and if so how extensively.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by whimsicalism on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:03AM (#46410785)
isn’t that essentially true of any technology that reduces the civilian casualties of a conflict?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by dwb on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:08AM (#46411165)
The companies involved definitely want you to think that part of their noble goal is reducing civilian casualties. As far as I can see, though, that is pure propaganda.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by rkomorn on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:09AM (#46411170)
You can reduce civilian casualties by reducing the number of people considered civilians.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by whimsicalism on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:19AM (#46411238)
i am not saying that is the case here, all i am saying is that your argument would apply to any technology that lets you better differentiate/target enemies vs. civilians, which suggests to me it is overbroad.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by dwb on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:49AM (#46411442)
You are reading perhaps more generality than I intended. To be clear, I am talking about the present greater-Anglo-American military-industrial complex, driven by present ideologies, in which the distinction between “enemy” and “civilian” itself is extremely debatable.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mexicocitinluez on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:03AM (#46410787)
Absolutely.

And that the people who stand to benefit the most from another war might want to filter/target that data in a way to make that more probable?

I mean, I know it's a stretch. Especially with how benevolent our current class of billionaires are. But just imagine a guy who thinks money is more important than anything else. I know... another stretch. lol.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mexicocitinluez on Sunday December 28, 2025 @08:02AM (#46410780)
> > Palantir do not control that part of decision making (you as a voter do! You did vote right?)

You're not actually suggesting that the company providing the data isn't at all part of that process, are you?

Can you, for a second, imagine a company collecting/forwarding only data that's beneficial to it's core objective? Especially one whose led by a guy who has quite literally benefits off of a war????

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by XorNot on Monday December 29, 2025 @03:26AM (#46418583)
I am 100% sure you have absolutely no idea what Palantir actually do, and I suggest you go actually read about it. There's plenty of resources out there which will explain in considerable detail what the product is, what the services are, how the services get provided, and the benefits (for example one of Palantir's premier operations is "forward deployed engineers" - which is super-handy for organizations which work in government because it means they come to you and do the installs and setup, but don't keep or even have access to any of the data - the relationship is between you and the specific employees - who in turn need to have Federal clearances - and not Palantir corporate).

This arrangement is extremely conventional, but most company's hate doing it and so don't unless they're operating with the expertise to manage those types of orgs (which is usually only profitable if you have a unique advantage or specialize in seeking a lot of contracts and then navigate the data handling rules to realize - hopefully - some synergies).

I don't like Thiel, but his detractors are also very obviously ignorant as to how any of the Federal government normally works.

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by mexicocitinluez on Monday December 29, 2025 @07:17AM (#46419928)
lol Found Karpas burner account

You're not actually contending that people at Palantir don't need clearances are you?

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by berkanunal on Sunday December 28, 2025 @03:45AM (#46409496)
How capable it is do you think at this moment. I guess we need 30 more years for software to get better, so less than 20 thousand children dies in the Gaza genocide.
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by pxoe on Sunday December 28, 2025 @04:41AM (#46409779)
Perhaps it would be preferable at least to not mix civilian health data or regular business data, with mass surveillance data, and with military industrial complex and kill chain data. It would make sense to have an interest in keeping different kinds of personal data in separate places and not have it thrown around companies with quite different interests or collected together within some company that's involved in quite different industries. So why does it not make sense to apologists of this company?
Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by s1artibartfast on Sunday December 28, 2025 @11:16AM (#46412101)
Are you claiming palantir will put a back door in their software and steal NHS data?

If so, is there any example of them ever doing this to a customer, or is it baseless speculation?

Alternatively, are you climing the NHS is giving planter data and usage rights?

Re:Say No to Palantir in the NHS by pxoe on Sunday December 28, 2025 @09:01PM (#46416628)
It doesn't matter whether they do or not, the desire to keep separate things separate could be there as is. It might as well not be any of that but just about the kinds of things some companies are involved in.

Again, kind of amusing how that immediately devolves into "are you making an accusation".