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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by oersted on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:49AM (#46219122)
And besides, even if lung cancer and heart attack may be the most common means of premature death, it does not entail that air pollution is the primary cause of them. I thought that smoking and bad dietary/exercise habits were the main factors. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to know.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:54AM (#46219202)
Calculating Air Pollution’s Death Toll, Across State Lines - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/12/climate/air-pollution-hea... | https://archive.today/HEapE - February 12th, 2020

Premature mortality related to United States cross-state air pollution - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-1983-8 | https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-1983-8

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by throw-qqqqq on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:57AM (#46219249)
> I thought that smoking and bad dietary/exercise habits were the main factors

While that is true, PM2.5 is still a major cause of lung cancer in non smokers, see e.g.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11729863/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11969995/

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by oersted on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:04AM (#46219375)
I see from your sources that lung cancer in non-smokers is still one of the top causes of death, and of course air-pollution is a primary cause of that. Good to know.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by cenamus on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:53AM (#46219184)
Air pollution is pretty clearly correlated with reduced life expectancy, even if you don't directly die from it
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by maerF0x0 on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:56AM (#46219231)
Also noise pollution, and above ground trains are hella loud. (Or at least CalTrain and BART are...)
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:42AM (#46219941)
This is a widely debunked bad faith NIMBY talking point. A train, even at high frequencies, is less noise pollution than a highway or major road.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by maerF0x0 on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:06PM (#46220308)
In the house I lived it was not debunked. It was fact. The caltrain blasted it's horn hourly (or more) 24/7 within earshot of my house. I could not sleep with my window open and often slept with ear plugs even with the window closed. I get you might be tempted to spout generic statistics, but I can tell you without a doubt it was ear blistering loud up close, and sleep disturbing even 2 blocks away.

Also for what it's worth you have no idea if it's good or bad faith.

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @01:26PM (#46221440)
So you would have preferred a roughly 12 lane freeway 2 blocks from your house to move the same number of people?
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by maerF0x0 on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @02:05PM (#46222038)
Perhaps, but more likely I would have preferred regulating the blasting of that damn horn.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @02:09PM (#46222100)
There are regulations, encourage your local government to establish a quiet zone if that's truly your issue with the train.

https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by driverdan on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:22PM (#46220532)
That's only if there are no crossings. Trains are required to sound their extremely loud horns at every crossing which can be heard from miles away.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @01:21PM (#46221353)
Such crossings are pretty rare in NYC, and even rarer in passenger routes there.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_...

State/local governments can also declare a quiet zone. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @01:29PM (#46221483)
Quiet zones require crossings to be up to a certain standard. If the people opposed to train noise were serious, they could pressure their local/regional gov to upgrade crossings and establish a quiet zone. This tends to be more successful than trying to prevent the train entirely.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by CalRobert on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:17AM (#46219596)
I can choose to eat healthy and not smoke. I can't choose not to breathe.