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Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by maerF0x0 on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @10:56AM (#46219231)
Also noise pollution, and above ground trains are hella loud. (Or at least CalTrain and BART are...)
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @11:42AM (#46219941)
This is a widely debunked bad faith NIMBY talking point. A train, even at high frequencies, is less noise pollution than a highway or major road.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by maerF0x0 on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:06PM (#46220308)
In the house I lived it was not debunked. It was fact. The caltrain blasted it's horn hourly (or more) 24/7 within earshot of my house. I could not sleep with my window open and often slept with ear plugs even with the window closed. I get you might be tempted to spout generic statistics, but I can tell you without a doubt it was ear blistering loud up close, and sleep disturbing even 2 blocks away.

Also for what it's worth you have no idea if it's good or bad faith.

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @01:26PM (#46221440)
So you would have preferred a roughly 12 lane freeway 2 blocks from your house to move the same number of people?
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by maerF0x0 on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @02:05PM (#46222038)
Perhaps, but more likely I would have preferred regulating the blasting of that damn horn.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @02:09PM (#46222100)
There are regulations, encourage your local government to establish a quiet zone if that's truly your issue with the train.

https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by driverdan on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @12:22PM (#46220532)
That's only if there are no crossings. Trains are required to sound their extremely loud horns at every crossing which can be heard from miles away.
Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by ceejayoz on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @01:21PM (#46221353)
Such crossings are pretty rare in NYC, and even rarer in passenger routes there.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Level_crossings_...

State/local governments can also declare a quiet zone. https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/crossing...

Re:In New York City, congestion pricing leads to marked drop... by hamdingers on Wednesday December 10, 2025 @01:29PM (#46221483)
Quiet zones require crossings to be up to a certain standard. If the people opposed to train noise were serious, they could pressure their local/regional gov to upgrade crossings and establish a quiet zone. This tends to be more successful than trying to prevent the train entirely.