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Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by crims0n on Thursday October 23, 2025 @07:34PM (#45688847)
So in this scenario would Epic then need to develop and maintain their own toolchain and SDK for their app store? The development tools and education are also worth something, Epic shouldn’t get that for free.
Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by lukeschlather on Thursday October 23, 2025 @07:37PM (#45688870)
Epic has a toolchain and SDK for their own app store. So does Valve, and many other competitors, and Apple won't let them install their toolchain on iOS.
Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by jen729w on Thursday October 23, 2025 @07:39PM (#45688888)
Dystopian story plot:

Apple completely opens up the iOS platform. Do whatever you like.

Also, an XCode license is now $20,000/year. Don’t like it? Build your own.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by bitpush on Thursday October 23, 2025 @07:43PM (#45688923)
> Also, an XCode license is now $20,000/year. Don’t like it? Build your own.

And people will. That's how competition works. If someone thinks they can make a profit by offering a) better product b) same product at a cheaper price, you'll see investment.

VCs will be pouring money to capture that market.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by surgical_fire on Thursday October 23, 2025 @07:50PM (#45688991)
> And people will.

And it will likely be much better too.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by rescbr on Thursday October 23, 2025 @08:06PM (#45689126)
That would be the best outcome!

We would be back to the real days of computing.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by Aloisius on Thursday October 23, 2025 @08:29PM (#45689278)
Why stop at xcode?

Add a licensing fee for UIKit, Core Data, Core Text, Core Audio, Core Graphics, Metal, Network, SwiftUI, Quartz and all the other libraries apps use constantly.

Heck, why not for the OS itself? If you don't want to pay, they could conceivably dump you into an isolated VM and force you to write your own OS and userspace device drivers.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by troupo on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:34AM (#45691144)
> Heck, why not for the OS itself?

We used to pay for OSes and OS upgrades. Heck, you still have to pay for Windows.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by trothamel on Thursday October 23, 2025 @09:21PM (#45689638)
If I'm remembering correctly, the community jailbroke the iPhone OS and produced a toolchain and app installer before the App Store's original release.
Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by someNameIG on Thursday October 23, 2025 @10:27PM (#45690080)
Say no one builds their own, and iPhones now only have first party apps. How many people are going to buy them now? How well did the Windows phone sell with no app support? How's the app support on the Apple Vision Pro?

The idea that devs owe Apple for use of their SDKs and API development is absurd. Apple already profits from it as people by their phones due to the amount of third party app support. See how Apple's profits go when WhatsApp, Instagram, Spotify, Netflix Uber, banking apps, are all no longer available on their devices.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by ENGNR on Friday October 24, 2025 @03:06AM (#45691735)
Vision Pro is an excellent example

What Apple really needs to do is mimic their old policy of no fees except for games. Let everyone develop for it, and then rug pull by making the fees apply to everything

But they can’t do it twice. So the Vision Pro ends up with no ecosystem

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by troupo on Friday October 24, 2025 @01:32AM (#45691137)
> Also, an XCode license is now $20,000/year. Don’t like it? Build your own.

That's what people literally did, multiple times, for multiple systems, and did a much better job than encumbents

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by pjc50 on Friday October 24, 2025 @05:15AM (#45692573)
Have you heard of gcc? The entire open source ecosystem exists because people were able to build their own.

It's entirely possible to build apps to run on OSX without touching Apple tools .. except for notarization, which they force you to use.

Re:Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might nea... by pjc50 on Friday October 24, 2025 @05:16AM (#45692580)