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Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by dgreensp on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:46PM (#4566889)
Careful, you can't legally serve these fonts with your app, you can only link to them. Am I the only one who finds this a big deal? It means you can't control the uptime of your fonts, and it seems like it would complicate development when you're offline, too.

From a business standpoint, it makes perfect sense to turn fonts into a "service" by hyping the hosting aspect. It would be like if jQuery said you can't serve jquery.js from your web server, you can only link to it, and then they start offering paid versions of jQuery.

I realize fonts are a commercial product, but my understanding is that Google Web Fonts really are free to use in your apps, whereas this is a free service. According to the terms, it is illegal to "retransmit" the "Service Materials".

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by Silhouette on Monday September 24, 2012 @06:26PM (#4567362)
I'm not sure I understand where the fonts on that page are coming from. They don't seem to be the serious Adobe professional fonts, many of which are available from font-as-a-service providers at a cost. Rather, they seem to be a lot of familiar things people are already using via Google Web Fonts and other free sources: Arvo, PT Sans, League Gothic, etc. Some (all?) of these are available under quite open licences, so I'm not sure what right Adobe would have to restrict those anyway.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by dholowiski on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:18PM (#4567822)
Chunk is a serious font, we just bought 30 licenses for a variant of it (chunk five) a few months ago.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by Meai on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @01:24AM (#4568747)
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by dholowiski on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:23AM (#4570165)
Shit.

Thanks.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by csomar on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:46AM (#4570278)
A bit curious: 30 variants of Chnuk 5 are not Chunk 5. Where did you buy it from?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by thangalin on Monday September 24, 2012 @05:29PM (#4567103)
http://www.google.com/webfonts

The website itself has hardly any frills.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by nostromo on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:53PM (#4566277)
Adobe really needs to drop the corporate marketer talk.

"Adobe Edge Tools & Services: New tools and services for a beautiful, modern web."

"Edge Web Fonts is conveniently built into Edge Code today and will be available in Edge Reflow and other Edge Tools & Services soon."

I'm reading all this and I still have no idea what Edge is or why I should care.

A much more informative link for the HN audience is this: http://www.edgefonts.com/

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by loceng on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:22PM (#4566439)
They want to appeal to bosses who will tell the developers to use it..
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by cpeterso on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:03PM (#4566665)
Yes. Managers, not developers, are Adobe's customers.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by joelhooks on Monday September 24, 2012 @05:01PM (#4566970)
It is rather infuriating if you are stuck under that relationship.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by dholowiski on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:16PM (#4567813)
I'm not a boss but I showed my developer could workers and he couldn't figure it out.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by lucisferre on Monday September 24, 2012 @11:44PM (#4568461)
What?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by dholowiski on Monday September 24, 2012 @11:53PM (#4568484)
should have read "co-worker" thanks auto correct.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by lucisferre on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @10:50AM (#4570626)
No problem, I would have suggested a helpful correction but I was completely lost. On that note, I just though how funny it would be if autocorrect just had a WTF? when it was completely lost.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by dasil003 on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @06:48AM (#4569643)
Wow that's more zealous auto-correct than Digg fixed-that-for-you kids.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by mesh on Monday September 24, 2012 @06:55PM (#4567505)
From that page:

-- Edge Web Fonts gives you access to a vast web font library made possible by contributions from Adobe, Google, and designers around the world. The fonts are served by Typekit, so you can be sure of high performance and stability. Plus, it’s free! --

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by sbt on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @12:21PM (#4571158)
>I'm reading all this and I still have no idea what Edge is or why I should care.

Neither do the people who wrote it, I can assure you :)

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by thaumaturgy on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:51PM (#4566602)
Neat, but I don't understand why Adobe would do this. I already use Adobe Typekit, and $50/year gives me access to a huge library of fonts at an unlimited number of websites. For my purposes, I'm tempted to stop paying even that totally reasonable, meager amount and just use this free offering instead.

After following most of the links on the page, I can't find any mention of limits on pageviews or traffic. On the surface of it, that makes their free offering a little bit better than their paid offering.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by H_L on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:43PM (#4566874)
I feel that this is effectively:

Adobe® Edge Web Fonts: Paid for graciously by the users of Typekit.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by zalew on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:56PM (#4566293)

    <script src="http://use.edgefonts.net/league-gothic.js"></script>
I wonder why they pushed negotiation to the client side instead of doing like google. you need to send this http://use.edgefonts.net/league-gothic.js to your user instead of this http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Source+Code+Pro in order to serve your font, and it won't work with js disabled.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by relix on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:07PM (#4566352)
TypeKit has a lot of countermeasures to ensure that the fonts are used according to the license, and not by anyone who isn't allowed to or through proxy's or something. I don't know the details but had a run-in with this in the past, resolved soon by customer support. I'm guessing Adobe didn't care for creating a second serving system to serve up these fonts, or the licenses are still restrictive that it requires some added logic.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by clarkdave on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:07PM (#4566351)
This is similar to how TypeKit serve their fonts. They wrote a blog post explaining their reasoning: http://blog.typekit.com/2011/08/11/better-web-font-loading-w...
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by JoshTriplett on Monday September 24, 2012 @06:39PM (#4567430)
That post claims that fonts don't have a fallback mechanism for when a font fails to load, but fonts have had fallbacks for as long as we've had CSS:

    font-family: "Obscure Font", "Common Font", sans-serif;
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by ricardobeat on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:38PM (#4568059)
I don't know the current state of things, but a failed font download used to result in blank/transparent text in some browsers, ignoring the fallback font.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by goatforce5 on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:44PM (#4566556)
From the linked page:

"The fonts are served by Typekit, so you can be sure of high performance and stability."

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by genwin on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:26PM (#4566788)
I abandoned Google fonts because of the annoying latency / flash on refresh. The Adobe fonts are smooth on my dev machine. That might be worth the difference under the hood.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by gokhan on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:50PM (#4566599)
Sad that they don't support international characters (or at least not the full character set of the language we use here).

Fonts provided by Google are better in character range coverage. Anyway, thanks Adobe.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by adamkiss on Monday September 24, 2012 @07:18PM (#4567609)
I thought so as well first time, but it seems they do, see 'subset' section here: http://www.edgefonts.com/#url-specification

Also: http://jsfiddle.net/6zUQu/1/

It seems that only the example on their site includes 'default' character set. Note that, though, sadly not all fonts have different than latin-1, or partial latin-1-ext.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by kibwen on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:36PM (#4566501)
"In addition, Adobe will be applying its considerable font expertise to improving and optimizing a number of the open source fonts that are available in both Google Web Fonts and Edge Web Fonts. The teams from Typekit, Adobe Type, and Google Web Fonts are working to identify which fonts will benefit the most from our attention, and how we can best approach improving their rendering and performance."

Helping to improve fonts that are not just freely available, but freely available on services other than your own? It's almost like I'm starting to feel goodwill towards Adobe. It's rather strange.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by digitalengineer on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:44PM (#4566559)
Back in the day they did fight Fontshop in court to make it possible to embed fonts (in PDF-files). Today there are still fontdesigners that charge an extra fee if you use theirfonts in things like Flash. Or just forbid it. Yeah, I'm looking atyou HouseIndustries...
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by Silhouette on Monday September 24, 2012 @06:42PM (#4567455)
I find Adobe remarkably inconsistent. The people behind their most famous product line, Creative Suite, seem to consistently produce poor quality software full of awkward limitations and oversights backed by terrible customer support, whose only redeeming feature is that since they basically killed off or bought all of the serious competition years ago everyone else's software is actually worse.

On the other hand, Adobe's typography people seem to be consistently good at producing high quality work, selling it at reasonable prices, and offering it on reasonable terms. Consequently, probably 90% of the money I've spent on serious fonts over the years has gone to Adobe, because they blow away the the-90s-called-they-want-their-printers-back silliness of certain other well known foundries, who either haven't noticed that we use fonts more on-screen than in print these days or who shamelessly advertise one price when the actual price to buy a useful product is presumably higher (presumably, because they never seem to tell you how much those extra permissions will actually cost).

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by systemtrigger on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @01:47AM (#4568827)
Browse the fonts listed in the select box: http://2012.s3.amazonaws.com/edgefonts.html
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by Jare on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @02:11AM (#4568900)
That page crashes my Chrome tab. Wonder what's the practical limit for number of custom fonts.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by crisnoble on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:04AM (#4570086)
I was thinking of making something similar. Thank you for saving me some time this morning!
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by jonny_eh on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:46PM (#4566240)
I've never heard of this "Adobe Edge". What's the deal here? I can't tell if it's a free thing or what.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by pdeuchler on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:53PM (#4566275)
Adobe's closed source fork of http://brackets.io
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by goldfeld on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:18PM (#4567824)
Actually, Brackets itself started inside Adobe by a group of employees, so Edge Code is their distribution package as much as Chrome is to Chromium. I can't see it in a negative light, I think they're getting this right.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by empire29 on Monday September 24, 2012 @10:36PM (#4568240)
Adobe is following this "open core" approach on several of its newer offerings. For Instance adobe
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by timdorr on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:43PM (#4566548)
That's what Edge Code is. Edge is their collection of developer-focused tool and services. Basically, they're trying to shake the stigma of Dreamweaver.

Also, because it's implied otherwise, it should be stated that Brackets is an Adobe-created/-owned project. The two are still quite tied together, as Brackets improvements are pushed into Edge Code releases.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by tree_of_item on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:21PM (#4566431)
Edge seems to be more than that. http://html.adobe.com/edge/
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by ricardobeat on Monday September 24, 2012 @09:40PM (#4568065)
More like Brackets is an open-source fork of Edge, since it was started by Adobe.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by rlt3 on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:32PM (#4566176)
I see a few overlapping fonts (or, at least, overlapping names) from Google Web Fonts. But most seem new.

Is there going to be a new competition over who has the 'cutting-edge' fonts?

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by DASD on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:37PM (#4566203)
Their linked blog mentions a partnership with Google regarding some of the fonts offered.

http://blog.typekit.com/2012/09/24/introducing-adobe-edge-we...

With that said and paranoia of external asset serving/hosting, does anyone know if these fonts can be self-hosted?

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by icoloma on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:06PM (#4566347)
Also, there is an extra DNS round trip by using an external web service. And I hate seeing JavaScript crawl into my <head> tag - certainly not for a web font.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by bpatrianakos on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:44PM (#4566555)
I hope so! More competition means more awesome free fonts for me. I hope they compete bad. Some web fonts render terribly across platforms. Windows still has terrible awful horrible handling of fonts so anything these companies can do to improve that in web fonts would be much appreciated.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by bduerst on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:58PM (#4566308)
I was wondering the same thing - Is there an advantage to using Adobe's web fonts over Google's fonts?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by genwin on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:28PM (#4566796)
On my dev machine, Google's has an annoying flash / latency issue. Adobe's is smooth.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by ghostblog on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:08PM (#4566358)
Damn........ they got a font called Lobster Two

This changes everything

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by Dystopian on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:37PM (#4566508)
Wait till you see Helvetica Neue S...

~jk

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by goldfeld on Monday September 24, 2012 @08:26PM (#4567856)
I think it comes from Google Web Fonts that one.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by adhipg on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:17PM (#4566411)
Am I right in thinking that they don't support Web Font Loader? [1]

Considering this is built on top of Typekit — which does support Web Font Loader — this is surprising.

[1] - https://developers.google.com/webfonts/docs/webfont_loader

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by adobemeh on Monday September 24, 2012 @06:11PM (#4567291)
If Adobe were really interested improving the web typography either Myriad Pro would be in the free set (it isn't) or they would change the default font in their creative suites to one of the free fonts (they haven't)
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by znowi on Monday September 24, 2012 @07:38PM (#4567699)
This is frustrating. I've spent 10 minutes on their site, checked out the links, and still can't figure out how to browse their font collection. Am I supposed to sign up with this Edge tool to do that? By contrast, see http://www.google.com/webfonts. You land there and start working.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by parkov on Monday September 24, 2012 @11:48PM (#4568472)
I found that equally baffling. I threw together a page that displays the best (according to Adobe[1]) webfonts of the bunch: http://jsbin.com/itayep

[1] http://html.adobe.com/edge/webfonts/#edgeWebFonts

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by alexchamberlain on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:48PM (#4566250)
Am I right in thinking Adobe bought TypeKit?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by ceejayoz on Monday September 24, 2012 @02:50PM (#4566263)
You're right, but you're about a year late.

http://blog.typekit.com/2011/10/03/adobe-acquires-typekit/

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by sjtgraham on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:11PM (#4566707)
Still no VAG Rundschrift. I have seen people request it on Typekit for years. Adobe is the licensor for this font, I have no idea why they haven't listened and either start offering it as a web font or explain why they won't/can't.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by d503 on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:29PM (#4566800)
If you don't mind hosting it yourself it looks like you can buy VAG Rundschrift as a downloadable web font from MyFonts.com.

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/urw/vag-rundschrift/

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by digitalengineer on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:39PM (#4566516)
Priceless! "Our mission: move the web forward and give web designers and developers the best tools and services in the world." And then: "Download a PDF version of this document (PDF, 47 KB)"
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by eps on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:49PM (#4566589)
You do know that PDF is an open format, right?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by icefox on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:55PM (#4566619)
Yeah, but it is in Adobe's interest to have you download a pdf that happens to use a pointless feature that only exists in the version of acrobat the came out three weeks ago and no other pdf viewer supports.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by threedaymonk on Monday September 24, 2012 @05:23PM (#4567070)
Aye, but it's not exactly moving the web forward, is it?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by digitalengineer on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @01:30AM (#4568769)
My point exactly.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by lelandbatey on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:09PM (#4566366)
I have a question on how web-fonts actually work.

I thought fonts basically just vector graphics. Since these are just java-script files, how are they being distributed? How do these work?

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by zalew on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:14PM (#4566393)
http://webfonts.info/browser-support-overview

google: embed css link, the negotiation which one to download is made server-side

adobe: embed js link, the negotiation which one to download is made client-side

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by lelandbatey on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:40PM (#4566526)
Ah, I see now. Thanks for clarifying.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by tarr11 on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:39PM (#4566520)
Is there a web page to browse all these fonts? That dropdown is tedious to use.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by yvoschaap2 on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:40PM (#4566854)
I created one for that: http://www.yvoschaap.com/edgefonts/

Prepare for some resource hogging :)

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by demetris on Monday September 24, 2012 @04:48PM (#4566900)
Thank you!
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by meandthebean on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:59PM (#4566645)
The dropdown was broken for me on Windows 7/Chrome.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by gadders on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:56AM (#4570319)
And I can't see any of these in IE 8 (using IE8 due to corporate lockdown).
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by gadders on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @10:48AM (#4570616)
My mistake - low system resources on the P.O.S. laptop I'm issued with.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by mnicole on Monday September 24, 2012 @03:11PM (#4566374)
Does this still put an ugly badge on the corner of your page?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by fuqyoooouu on Monday September 24, 2012 @05:40PM (#4567153)
This is trash. A repackaging of a lot of free OFL type that's already out there, but new and improved with restricted licensing, JS dependency, and relying on Adobe.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by drivebyacct2 on Monday September 24, 2012 @05:43PM (#4567170)
Too bad this is what hit the top slot. They also announced the release of the open source code and its monospace variant. I'm using it in elementary OS and it looks fantastic in Sublime Text and terminal.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by mavelikara on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @12:26AM (#4568565)
Googling did not help, so can anyone please provide a link to the other announcement?
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by mavelikara on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @01:56AM (#4568853)
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by graue on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @03:37AM (#4569125)
This is a good font, but to me it's nowhere near as good as Inconsolata-g, the best fixed-width font I've found.

http://leonardo-m.livejournal.com/77079.html

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by dsolomon on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @07:50AM (#4569814)
It's fonts and a pageful of bitter people who cannot figure them out.
Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by tomelders on Monday September 24, 2012 @07:12PM (#4567584)
I no longer trust, nor like Adobe. And I don't think I ever will again. I genuinely want to see them fail in everything they do and I care not one jot for the men and women who work there or their families. I root for Pixelmator, I salute Apple's stance on flash and even wanted Silverlight to give Adobe a run for it's money.

There is a point to this rant. I have used Adobe products my entire working life. I loved Adobe and the products they made. But now...? I am what happens when you treat your users like shit, and everyone else like idiots.

Fortunatly for me, my inflated opinion and militant outlook is made more tenable when they keep releasing turds like this.

Re:Adobe Edge Web Fonts by daeken on Monday September 24, 2012 @07:21PM (#4567631)
Sorry, but no, there was no point to that rant. I'm no Adobe fan either, but your comment adds no value; it isn't a specific criticism, just being angry. If you dislike them, just don't use their products and move on.