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Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by gp90 on Friday September 12, 2025 @05:23PM (#45226924)
> It's extremely racist

I'm not sure if the motive behind such behavior is racism. Instead, I think it's more likely the power play. That is, they would pick the population that is the easiest to command and to push them up the corporate ladder.

Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by giancarlostoro on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:05PM (#45227305)
If the process becomes magically racist when everyone involved is white, but the only difference is another race or ethnicity, then its still racism.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by cess11 on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:15PM (#45227358)
The -ism suffix implies it's about a systemic hierarchy. Are you implying that power in the US is systemically, structurally, in the hands of "indians" and that this is reflected in and reproduced by the dominant social ideology?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by johnsmith1840 on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:36PM (#45227562)
That's a made up deffinition only recently invented. Racism is hating another group of people based on physical or cultural background.

The US is the most powerful country does that mean if I go to india I can't experience racism because technically India is "weaker" ?

Isn't this example literally a group of stronger indians being racist to weaker individuals (job applicants)?

This also implies they are not hiring black, asian, or hispanic people either but because they're a minority that's ok?

Such a bad take.

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Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by Podrod on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:56PM (#45227709)
This is an incredibly weird hill to die on.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by lazide on Saturday September 13, 2025 @06:04PM (#45235694)
Also, having lived in Asia before - Americans are totally amateur racists compared to Asians (well, east, southeast, and south anyway. Never lived in Central Asia).

Those aunties and uncles can discriminate you down to damn near the block you came from, even if it was on the other side of the planet, and tell everyone exactly why you’re a bad idea for reasons even you didn’t know about.

Signed, your good little gwailou.

Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by DontchaKnowit on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:33PM (#45227538)
I never understood this redefinition of the word... Racism means prejudice based on race. Period. Thats all it means. Redefining the word like you suggested is moving the political goalposts
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Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by hdlothia on Friday September 12, 2025 @07:07PM (#45227775)
How do the nazis qualify as not prejudiced?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by tux3 on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:50PM (#45227664)
I think you've earned a Godwin point. "The Nazis weren't prejudiced" isn't a great start to an argument, even as a strawman of someone else's position.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by DontchaKnowit on Friday September 12, 2025 @07:15PM (#45227817)
Ism doesnt mean systenic hierarchy. Does gigantism mean a systemic hierarchy of giants? Does botulism mean systemic hierarchy of botulinum. Hobestly what the hell are you talking about?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by baxtr on Friday September 12, 2025 @07:21PM (#45227855)
So are you saying that if you were to put white people into a country that is systemically ruled by non-whites, they can’t be racist there?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by techbro92 on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:30PM (#45227512)
At certain companies and it’s org structures yeah
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by oblio on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:26PM (#45227459)
What about these cases happening outside of the US?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by tomhow on Friday September 12, 2025 @09:28PM (#45228533)
Please don't comment in this cross-examination style on HN. The guidelines ask us not to do this. Please observe the guidelines if you want to participate here, especially these ones:

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Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by mrtesthah on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:28PM (#45227480)
White people are fully in control of the government at all levels, as well as the economy, in this country. This power dynamic makes the difference between an act of discrimination vs one of racism.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by pcthrowaway on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:33PM (#45227544)
Ignoring whether the claim is accurate or not, if Indian hiring managers are preferentially hiring other Indians, yes of course this is racism, because it means they are also discriminating against all other PoC candidates, not just white people.

Please think a little bit harder before claiming something isn't racism because it might somewhat counteract the structural privilege enjoyed by white people. Yes, white privilege is a thing, and if the claim was that Indian hiring managers were giving preference to non-white people, your comment would at least be worth discussing in the context of a society which overall still privileges white people. But that wasn't even the claim.

Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by LudwigNagasena on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:31PM (#45227516)
That’s simply an outlandish claim. Most people are not in control of any level of the government.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by transcriptase on Friday September 12, 2025 @07:12PM (#45227810)
I mean there is that one group.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by tbrownaw on Friday September 12, 2025 @08:09PM (#45228136)
Which group? Politicians?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by transcriptase on Friday September 12, 2025 @08:35PM (#45228257)
Illuminati, mole men, lizard people.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by wizzwizz4 on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:35PM (#45227557)
You can't compress the complexities of all social dynamics to a single axis. What's the distinction you're trying to make between "act of discrimination" and "racism"? Usually the distinction people try to draw is something like "systematic" vs "one-off" (the difference between one person yelling at you on the street, and lots of people yelling at you in particular throughout the month), but the behaviour alleged here is systematic. I suspect you don't have any particular meaning in mind, instead having taken a habit of language that works well in certain situations, and falsely generalised it outside of its domain of validity.

If you genuinely believe that the "single axis" approach is valid, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality.

Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by tomhow on Friday September 12, 2025 @09:26PM (#45228524)
Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Eschew flamebait.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

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Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by mrtesthah on Sunday September 14, 2025 @02:36AM (#45237946)
Hmm ok, I don’t see how my comment violates those points. Did I lie?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by dexwiz on Friday September 12, 2025 @05:39PM (#45227081)
I made the mistake once of insinuating the reason no else was complaining about current conditions was that everyone else was on a visa. That was pretty much the end of my job there. Which only made me more confident in my opinion in the end.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by decimalenough on Friday September 12, 2025 @07:54PM (#45228051)
Yup. You see this when any org hires a top exec externally: they bring their trusted lieutenants/golf buddies and push out the old brass, and then this repeats down the chain when these hires do the same.

Unsurprisingly, an Indian exec's trusted lieutenants and golf buddies will also be Indian, likely from the same university, caste, etc. They will not be hiring random people just because they happen to be Indian; if anything, there's been plenty of lawsuits over Indians of the "wrong" caste, language group etc getting pushed out.

Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by pclmulqdq on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:09PM (#45227326)
In other words, it's racism. Hiring your in-group because you have power within your in-group is racism.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by gp90 on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:58PM (#45227717)
How do we draw the line between whatever -ism and Bayesian inferences? You are seasoned manager for years, you found that your fellow countrymen are much more likely to follow your leadership style than any other group of different cultural background. Let's say it's a fact that you identified through years of trial and error. Based on this fact, you decide to hire only certain groups. How is this racism? How is this different from a university has a college list. Any graduate who does not graduate from the list will not have an interview with your company -- It's super narrow minded and it can considered discrimination, but is that some kind of -ism?
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by crazygringo on Friday September 12, 2025 @07:54PM (#45228058)
> you found that your fellow countrymen are much more likely to follow your leadership style than any other group of different cultural background

Two points.

First: a good, seasoned manager adapts their leadership style to their employees. So the premise is a bit backwards.

But second, let's suppose we use something more valid like "ability to follow instructions". And suppose there are real differences in groups. You still don't stereotype on groups, because lower-performing groups still have high-performing members. So you have your interview examine the actual skill you need on an individual basis. You don't make assumptions based on group membership.

Now, for practical reasons candidates need to be reduced to a reasonable number to interview. That should be done according to personal accomplishments and experience, not groups.

The college you went to is tricky. Only hiring from a select group is not very defensible mainly because it's a bad signal. It reflects mostly your high school test scores and grades, which was years ago. On the other hand, some colleges teach in certain departments better or worse, your grades might matter and depend on the college, etc. So you need to calibrate for a bunch of achievement-based signals where the college name can matter, rather than whitelist only certain colleges.

Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by pclmulqdq on Friday September 12, 2025 @07:09PM (#45227791)
If you're a seasoned manager, you have learned to work across cultural differences. Being a lazy manager who doesn't want to understand how to work with others is shortsighted on its own and is not an excuse for being a racist.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by sib on Friday September 12, 2025 @09:28PM (#45228535)
Because, in general, there is more variance within groups than across groups, so you are generalizing that an individual person within a group is more talented / capable / whatever than an individual person from outside that group. Ergo, you are treating that second person "unfairly" due to his / her group membership or lack thereof.
Re:Corporations are trying, and now failing, to hide job ope... by relaxing on Friday September 12, 2025 @06:16PM (#45227367)
My brother in Vishnu what do you think racism is