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Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by MangoToupe on Monday September 08, 2025 @01:28PM (#45171119)
I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by recursive on Monday September 08, 2025 @03:36PM (#45172871)
It's a way of asserting human supremacy. Perhaps a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines. That's just a guess on my part, but if it's even partly true, it's totally worth it IMO.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by MangoToupe on Monday September 08, 2025 @04:30PM (#45173547)
I don't really feel like it's necessary to assert human supremacy. That sort of insecurity had never even occurred to me. What does that even mean? How are humans and machines even comparable? Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by recursive on Monday September 08, 2025 @04:44PM (#45173734)
> Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?

No. If they were, I don't think they'd bother trying to convince us of anything.

For now, I'm thinking of things like the "AI boyfriend disaster" of the GPT-5 upgrade. I'm concerned with how these things are intentionally anthropomorphized, and how they're treated by other people.

In some years time, once they're sufficiently embedded into enough critical processes, I am concerned about various time-bomb attacks.

Whatever insecurity I'm feeling is not in a personal psychological dimension.

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by mvdtnz on Monday September 08, 2025 @05:16PM (#45174114)
You should see how I speak to my table saw.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by fifticon on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @09:02AM (#45181381)
considering what a table saw is capable of, I advice to treat it with respect. My old father recently reattached the safety guard on his, in order to keep his remaining fingers.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by recursive on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @10:44AM (#45182641)
None of the things a table saw is capable of result from being spoken to rudely.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by curtisblaine on Monday September 08, 2025 @05:36PM (#45174333)
> a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines

Absolutely this,and it's worth. Imagine DEI training for being rude to ChatGPT.

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by shayway on Monday September 08, 2025 @03:39PM (#45172907)
You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat inanimate objects, or 'lesser' life forms like plants.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by recursive on Monday September 08, 2025 @06:06PM (#45174650)
I treat inanimate objects with all due respect. In my opinion of course. In cases like musical instruments, that manifests in one way.

I think that LLM chatbots are fundamentally built on a deception or dark pattern, and respect them accordingly. They are built to communicate using and mimicking human language. They are built to act human, but they are not.

If someone tries to trick me into subscribing to offers from valued business partners, I will take that into account. If someone tries to take advantage of my human reactions to human language, I will also take that into account accordingly.

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by chipsrafferty on Monday September 08, 2025 @03:15PM (#45172594)
It's not a fake slur
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by MangoToupe on Monday September 08, 2025 @04:32PM (#45173583)
Oh well that makes me feel so much better about the people using this word.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by cyberdick on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @09:32AM (#45181686)
I use clanka
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by MangoToupe on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @02:44PM (#45186654)
Disgusting. That's all I have to say.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by serf on Monday September 08, 2025 @01:49PM (#45171441)
it kind of reminds me of 'mudblood' from harry potter a bit, also from pop fiction -- and similarly considered harmless.

yeah it's not directly harmful -- wizards aren't real -- but it also serves as an (often first) introduction to children of the concepts of familial/genetic superiority, eugenics, and ethnic/genetic cleansing.

I can't really think of any cases where setting an example of calling something a nasty name is that great a trait to espouse, to children or adults.

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by DoctorOW on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @07:13AM (#45180424)
Yeah reading Harry Potter through an adult lens, and understanding what the conflicts were there to symbolize, it really makes you wish the author had thought asked "Does this children's book need a eugenics plotline?" and if so, "What does it need to say about eugenics?" Though last I checked the author is still arguing historical claims about the holocaust were exaggerated, so I'm not sure her convictions.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by hiccuphippo on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @07:46AM (#45180622)
Wasn't muggle also a derogatory name? Some characters were wary of using mudblood but no one had issues with muggle.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by rcxdude on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @08:22AM (#45180965)
It was more or less treated as the least-pejorative way of saying 'non-magic-aware' (in a similar-ish sense to 'Gentile'), but it seems like there's no way to have at least a little bit of negative implication given what it's denoting, and there's absolutely a sense that most wizards and witches consider themselves superior to the muggles.

Whereas 'mudblood' was specifically a slur against those of mixed heritage.

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by mrguyorama on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @01:07PM (#45185008)
>'mudblood' from harry potter a bit, also from pop fiction -- and similarly considered harmless

Considered harmless? The entire point of the "mudblood" slur is so JK can clearly signal who agrees with the literal Wizard Nazis! Anyone and everyone says "muggle", but calling someone a mudblood in the harry potter universe was how literal children reading knew you were the bad guy!

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by mvdtnz on Monday September 08, 2025 @03:31PM (#45172803)
Are you kidding? Is this part of the joke?
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by marcosdumay on Monday September 08, 2025 @03:52PM (#45173085)
Half of the point of The Clone Wars is that their society is completely broken, and the people using that term are almost as much "programmed" and "enslaved" as the robots they are fighting against.

What yes, if this is part of your joke, then great. If not, you may actually be the butt of your own joke.

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by MangoToupe on Monday September 08, 2025 @04:32PM (#45173573)
Sorry? What do you mean? I can't answer your confusion if I don't understand it.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by mvdtnz on Monday September 08, 2025 @05:14PM (#45174092)
Are there people genuinely concerned about slurs against autocomplete computer programs?
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by marcusb on Monday September 08, 2025 @08:12PM (#45175810)
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by MangoToupe on Monday September 08, 2025 @11:39PM (#45177131)
Yes. I find it disturbing that you'd rather pretend to be racist than be mad at actual humans who deserve it.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by akimbostrawman on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @07:46AM (#45180624)
Machines aren't a race. If anything its speciest.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by jdiff on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:40PM (#45188654)
Machines also aren't a species.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @05:02AM (#45195109)
Given people say please and thank you to voice assistants, sure. Or given that a subset of "rationalists" like Musk are afraid that the Machine God is inevitable and will kill those that didn't help make the Machine God a reality / elevate those that did, also sure. See "Roko's Basilisk"
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by nataliste on Monday September 08, 2025 @04:53PM (#45173827)
>I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.

I think there's a clear sociological pattern here that explains the appeal. It maps almost perfectly onto the thesis of David Roediger's "The Wages of Whiteness."

His argument was that poor white workers in the 19th century, despite their own economic exploitation, received a "psychological wage" for being "white." This identity was primarily built by defining themselves against Black slaves. It gave them a sense of status and social superiority that compensated for their poor material conditions and the encroachment of slaves on their own livelihood.

We're seeing a digital version of this now with AI. As automation devalues skills and displaces labor across fields, people are being offered a new kind of psychological compensation: the "wage of humanity." Even if your job is at risk, you can still feel superior because you're a thinking, feeling human, not just another mindless clanker.

The slur is the tool used to create and enforce that in-group ("human") versus out-group ("clanker") distinction. It's an act of identity formation born directly out of economic anxiety.

The real kicker, as Roediger's work would suggest, is that this dynamic primarily benefits the people deploying the technology. It misdirects the anger of those being displaced toward the tool itself, rather than toward the economic decisions that prioritize profit over their livelihoods.

But this ethos of economic displacement is really at the heart of both slavery and computation. It's all about "automating the boring stuff" and leveraging new technologies to ultimately extract profit at a greater rate than your competitors (which happens to include society). People typically forget the job of "computer" was the first casualty of computing machines.

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by beckthompson on Monday September 08, 2025 @06:28PM (#45174900)
This is an interesting perspective that I have not heard before. I have to think about it... Thanks for the insightful comment
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by bloqs on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @03:58AM (#45178902)
derogatory names are a standard form of human communication. You use them too
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by MangoToupe on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @07:01AM (#45180348)
I use them on rich parasites, not computer programs. It's embarrassing.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by hiccuphippo on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @08:00AM (#45180745)
You obviously have not been rendering something for hours when your computer tells you it's going to restart in 10 minutes.

https://archive.org/details/youtube-3spnGnavWFg

Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:43AM (#45194964)
micro$oft / windows hate has been a thing for decades though.
Re:Clankers Die on Christmas by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:42AM (#45194953)
It's memes / irony, it'll pass.