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Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by sublinear on Monday August 04, 2025 @11:57AM (#44787638)
Do we really want a "high trust" society? That sounds awful.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by bradleyjg on Monday August 04, 2025 @11:59AM (#44787670)
A place where you can lose you wallet and get it back with all the cash inside.

The horror!!

Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by sublinear on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:01PM (#44787709)
Forget the wallet. A high trust society is a place where people get swindled all the time in various ways. Any and all trust is inherently bad and naive.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by fireflash38 on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:16PM (#44787908)
That's a very sad and lonely way to live.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by sublinear on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:18PM (#44787932)
I don't think we're talking about the same thing.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by account42 on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @08:56AM (#44797449)
Obviously. You should heed the advice of other posters who told you to look up the meaning of the word.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by ghurtado on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:11PM (#44787840)
> Any and all trust is inherently bad and naive.

Sounds like the final lesson from a lifetime of successful personal relationships.

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Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by tempfile on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:41PM (#44788253)
No-one is forcing you to post here.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by arrowsmith on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:21PM (#44787976)
No, you're describing a low-trust society.

Please learn what words mean before you comment on them.

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Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Imustaskforhelp on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:40PM (#44788240)
Isn't that the system that we are already living in?

Democracy in its american form or even at many others show almost complete paralysis of the entire system basically if bad actors infiltrate it (Looking at ya donald)

It is honestly a little sad since conservatives usually think of their society as this high trust society and they were the ones who primarily voted and are being taken advantaged of by the few untrustworthy individuals.

Politics is a cult/religion and you can't prove me otherwise.

I vote because I vote for lesser evil not for greater good. I do think that frankly, both the parties or just most parties in every nation are just so short of reality but I created a discord server of 100 people and I can see how I can't manage 100 people and so maybe I expect so much from the govt.

I used to focus so much on history and politics but its bloody mess and there is no good or bad. Now I just feel like going into the woods and into the darks living alone, maybe coding.

Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by sensanaty on Monday August 04, 2025 @01:30PM (#44788944)
That's quite literally the opposite of what high trust means...
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Workaccount2 on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:05PM (#44791326)
Let me guess: A low violence society is bad because people get attacked and beat up?
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by arrowsmith on Monday August 04, 2025 @12:20PM (#44787957)
Go spend some time in Brazil or South Africa or other places where no-one trusts anyone (for good reasons), then report back.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by immibis on Monday August 04, 2025 @01:59PM (#44789338)
High trust is prima facie incompatible with capitalism. If you want a high trust society, you don't want capitalism. Capitalism is inherently low trust because in capitalism, taking advantage of every edge you can is ultimately a matter of life and death, and that includes deceit. If the penalty for deceit was greater than the penalty for non-deceit then you could have a high-trust society.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Ray20 on Monday August 04, 2025 @03:58PM (#44790702)
> High trust is prima facie incompatible with capitalism

Quite compatible

> If you want a high trust society, you don't want capitalism.

There is nothing at all in capitalism that would prevent a high level of trust in society.

> Capitalism is inherently low trust

But that's not true. The thing about capitalism is that it's RESILENT to low trust. It does not require low levels of trust, but is capable of functioning in such conditions.

> If the penalty for deceit was greater than the penalty for non-deceit

Who are the judges? Capitalism is the most resistant to deception, deceivers under capitalism receive fewer benefits than under any other economic system. Simply because capitalism is based on the premise that people cheat, act out of greed, try to get the most for themselves at the expense of others. These qualities exist in people regardless of the existence of capitalism, it is just that capitalism ensures prosperity in society even when people have these qualities.

Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by immibis on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:25PM (#44791542)
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by sublinear on Monday August 04, 2025 @02:22PM (#44789617)
Why bring up capitalism? I don't get it. What's stopping people from lying and cheating under any other system?
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by dgshsg on Monday August 04, 2025 @03:37PM (#44790495)
When lying and cheating doesn't get you ahead, there is no reason to do it.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Ray20 on Monday August 04, 2025 @04:04PM (#44790760)
The problem is that without capitalism ONLY lying and cheating will get you ahead. Look at ANY country that builds its economy on the restriction of people's economic freedom, on the absence of private property rights - these are the most deceitful and disgusting regimes in the world with zero level of public trust.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by ghurtado on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:13PM (#44791426)
You seriously think that mankind wasn't lying and cheating long before inventing capitalism?
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by dgshsg on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:45PM (#44791700)
Sure, but the risk/reward ratio was different.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Workaccount2 on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:20PM (#44791498)
If we look at any communist society, the only way to get ahead was lying and cheating. China was forced to adopt capitalist markets to deal with this, hence why modern China hardly resembles the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, or Laos.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by immibis on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @07:19AM (#44796700)
Communist with a capital C.

I've never seen a stateless, classless, moneyless society. It may be impossible.