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Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by immibis on Monday August 04, 2025 @01:59PM (#44789338)
High trust is prima facie incompatible with capitalism. If you want a high trust society, you don't want capitalism. Capitalism is inherently low trust because in capitalism, taking advantage of every edge you can is ultimately a matter of life and death, and that includes deceit. If the penalty for deceit was greater than the penalty for non-deceit then you could have a high-trust society.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Ray20 on Monday August 04, 2025 @03:58PM (#44790702)
> High trust is prima facie incompatible with capitalism

Quite compatible

> If you want a high trust society, you don't want capitalism.

There is nothing at all in capitalism that would prevent a high level of trust in society.

> Capitalism is inherently low trust

But that's not true. The thing about capitalism is that it's RESILENT to low trust. It does not require low levels of trust, but is capable of functioning in such conditions.

> If the penalty for deceit was greater than the penalty for non-deceit

Who are the judges? Capitalism is the most resistant to deception, deceivers under capitalism receive fewer benefits than under any other economic system. Simply because capitalism is based on the premise that people cheat, act out of greed, try to get the most for themselves at the expense of others. These qualities exist in people regardless of the existence of capitalism, it is just that capitalism ensures prosperity in society even when people have these qualities.

Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by immibis on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:25PM (#44791542)
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by sublinear on Monday August 04, 2025 @02:22PM (#44789617)
Why bring up capitalism? I don't get it. What's stopping people from lying and cheating under any other system?
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by dgshsg on Monday August 04, 2025 @03:37PM (#44790495)
When lying and cheating doesn't get you ahead, there is no reason to do it.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Ray20 on Monday August 04, 2025 @04:04PM (#44790760)
The problem is that without capitalism ONLY lying and cheating will get you ahead. Look at ANY country that builds its economy on the restriction of people's economic freedom, on the absence of private property rights - these are the most deceitful and disgusting regimes in the world with zero level of public trust.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by ghurtado on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:13PM (#44791426)
You seriously think that mankind wasn't lying and cheating long before inventing capitalism?
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by dgshsg on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:45PM (#44791700)
Sure, but the risk/reward ratio was different.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by Workaccount2 on Monday August 04, 2025 @05:20PM (#44791498)
If we look at any communist society, the only way to get ahead was lying and cheating. China was forced to adopt capitalist markets to deal with this, hence why modern China hardly resembles the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, or Laos.
Re:Perplexity is using stealth, undeclared crawlers to evade... by immibis on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @07:19AM (#44796700)
Communist with a capital C.

I've never seen a stateless, classless, moneyless society. It may be impossible.