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Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by saulrh on Monday September 03, 2012 @11:56PM (#4473010)
Money quote for the people that don't want to wade through ten pages of rant:

  During the second week of March 2012, a Dell Vostro notebook, used by
  Supervisor Special Agent Christopher K. Stangl from FBI Regional Cyber Action
  Team and New York FBI Office Evidence Response Team was breached using the
  AtomicReferenceArray vulnerability on Java, during the shell session some files
  were downloaded from his Desktop folder one of them with the name of
  "NCFTA_iOS_devices_intel.csv" turned to be a list of 12,367,232 Apple iOS
  devices including Unique Device Identifiers (UDID), user names, name of device,
  type of device, Apple Push Notification Service tokens, zipcodes, cellphone
  numbers, addresses, etc.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by yangez on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:29AM (#4473116)
This is very disturbing. How did the FBI gain access to all this information? It should be locked up in Apple.

From what I see, the NCFTA in "NCFTA_iOS_devices_intel.csv" looks like it stands for the National Cyber-Forensics & Training Alliance, which "functions as a conduit between private industry and law enforcement." (http://www.ncfta.net/)

Is Apple willingly sharing personal information with the FBI through the NCFTA?

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by arn on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:35AM (#4473130)
Doesn't a popular iOS developer have the same information?

UDIDs, APNS tokens (for push notifications), basic demographic information is something a popular social app or game might have. 12 million is a pretty good number, though.

edit: our iOS app has over 2 million of these type of device records (though we don't collect any demographic info, so just device ids, apns tokens, device names, device types -- standard for push notifications).

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Networ...

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by jlgreco on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:49AM (#4473176)
Would all of those millions install an application from the FBI knowing it gave them that information?

Just because I am ok with one organization having my information doesn't mean that I am ok with any others having the same.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by arn on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:58AM (#4473203)
I'm presuming the FBI got the database from an App Developer. Not that the FBI released a popular iOS app.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by wtn on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @01:10AM (#4473233)
The FBI stole an Instapaper server in an unrelated raid http://blog.instapaper.com/post/6830514157
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by firebones on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:10AM (#4473365)
So Marco Arment could go all CSI for us and let us know whether the sample corresponds to info he retained and which would have been on the server at the time.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by 54mf on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @09:10AM (#4474353)
I've been using Instapaper since pretty much the first day, and my information is not in the file. Not to say they don't have it, but, it's not in that file, FWIW.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by alttag on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @09:52AM (#4474498)
According to one report [1], only 1 million of about 12 million stored records were released by AntiSec, so the absence of your record is not conclusive.

1: http://thenextweb.com/2012/09/04/antisec-hackers-leak-100000...

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by lostlogin on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @03:27AM (#4473538)
I couldn't even guess the episode, but Marco has stated on is 5by5 podcast that he doesn't collect user information and only dips into user information grudgingly. I'd be surprised if this came from him as according to his statements he finds holding any user information that could be described as private unpleasant. This is all based on recollection however.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by lostlogin on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @03:40AM (#4473563)
Still cant find the podcast, but here is what Marco says the FBI tool, quoted from the Instapaper blog about a year ago: >>The server was used as a MySQL replication slave, handling read-only queries to speed up the site. Instapaper suffered no downtime as a result of its theft and no data has been lost.<<

Further down:

>>Possibly most importantly, though, the FBI is now presumably in possession of a complete copy of the Instapaper database as it stood on Tuesday morning, including the complete list of users and any non-deleted bookmarks. (“Archived” bookmarks are not deleted. “Deleted” bookmarks are hard-deleted out of the database immediately.)

Instapaper stores only salted SHA-1 hashes of passwords, so those are relatively safe. But email addresses are stored in the clear, as is the saved content of each bookmark saved by the bookmarklet.

The server also contained a complete copy of the Instapaper website codebase, but not the codebase of the iOS app.

Linked Facebook, Twitter, or Tumblr accounts only store their respective OAuth keys. Linked Evernote accounts only store the Evernote email-in address. Linked Pinboard accounts, however, store plaintext usernames and encrypted passwords, and the encryption keys are present in the website source code on the server. <<

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by brokenparser on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @05:20AM (#4473782)
So "FBI theft" should be a new failure mode to defend against in web applications, right after SQLi and XSS? I'm handling this by not having any servers in the USA, hopefully GB is safe.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by jordanthoms on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @06:33AM (#4473926)
Yeah, this gives a whole new meaning to having live backups/redundancy. I guess this is an advantage of hosting on EC2 since there would be difficult for the FBI to seize the physical server.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by danudey on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:00PM (#4475110)
It would be easier on EC2 since the FBI could just have Amazon clone your EBS volume and you'd never be the wiser.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by jordanthoms on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @12:52AM (#4478057)
Absolutely, that wasn't my point. Since the FBI could do that, you are unlikely to get your server seized from an unrelated raid. Still, a crappy situation.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by wmf on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:52PM (#4475957)
Other countries aren't that safe. https://www.eff.org/cases/indymedia-server-takedown
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by jlgreco on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @01:00AM (#4473212)
Uh, yes. I think that is a safe assumption that they did not compile the list themselves.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by pilif on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:15AM (#4473375)
iOS developers don't have the Apple IDs nor ZIP codes nor addresses (unless they separately ask for them but at least the apple ID is very uncommon)
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by arn on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:22AM (#4473397)
There are no "Apple IDs" in here. Just Apple device UDIDs.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by pilif on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:33AM (#4473419)
You are right. I misread the announcement. That still leaves the issue of the personal data, but as I said: app developers could acquire that directly from the user.

Possibly, the fact that personal data is missing so often actually might point to a non-apple leak, because they would have the link to personal data. Of course it could be fake, but it would be prsesent.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by bornhuetter on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @07:10AM (#4474038)
When he said "a popular iOS developer" I assumed he meant Facebook.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by saurik on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @05:23AM (#4473784)
I imagine it wouldn't be that difficult to extrapolate this information from your address book: I keep my own name, phone number, address, etc. all in there, and you can probably figure out which record is mine.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by SG- on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @03:51AM (#4473593)
Could this data have been taken from the AT&T "breach" a while back where all the data for iPhone customers wasn't protected and crawled?
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by eli on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @08:10AM (#4474184)
And 12 million is the number claimed. Only 1 million is shown.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by spyhopping on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @10:09PM (#4477558)
Well, at least the FBI is not going to share your personal information with advertisers, or (opt-in) spam you to death trying to sell you something.

The FBI's mission is reasonably clear; it's a government-regulated organization; it's non-commercial. They have a certain amount of accountability. Alas, we can't say the same for "popular iOS developers". We've seen how sneaky some iOS app developers can be with respect to privacy, and with little remorse after they get caught.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by sebkomianos on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @02:22AM (#4478247)
lol

(and yeah, I know this is probably going to hammer my HN karma all the way to the bottom but...lol man)

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by mtgx on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @04:53AM (#4473722)
Couldn't an American request a FOIA for this to see what's the level of information gathering on iPhone users? Could EFF sue them for it or something to unveil more?
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by eli on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @08:11AM (#4474189)
If there is indeed an ongoing investigation, FOIA would not apply (reasonably enough).
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by guelo on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @04:05PM (#4476277)
An ongoing investigation of 12 million people?
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by eli on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @04:17PM (#4476331)
I have no idea. There are a lot of assumptions implicit in that question.

I'm just saying that you are unlikely to be successful in requesting more information for this file. Information that "could reasonably interfere" with law enforcement is exempt. Also, the FBI does not make it easy to request documents form them and, further, the turnaround on a request can be months or years.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by JonnieCache on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:47AM (#4473170)
>Is Apple willingly sharing personal information with the FBI through the NCFTA?

Define "willingly."

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by duiker101 on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @04:01AM (#4473614)
FBI: "Can we have this data? we can pay something" Apple: "Sure! In which format do you prefer to have it?"
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by officemonkey on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @06:46AM (#4473968)
FBI: "Just give it to us as CSV, kthxbai."
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by crag on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @09:13AM (#4474372)
It wouldn't be "willingly". But If Apple was presented with an order from a court, then yes, they'd have no choice. They could fight it; but they'd lose, depending on the reason. Frankly the only reason would be some terrorism angle.

But those types of actions are rare.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by roc on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @09:41AM (#4474476)
I would be surprised if you could get a court order to turn over details on 12 million users.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by sweded on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @01:51PM (#4475643)
I wish that Apple, if indeed presented with a court order, would've gone the Twitter route and publicized that fact.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by TheCondor on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:21PM (#4475786)
It's a no win situation for them. Hand the info over and you're on msnbc for giving it up, don't hand it over and you're on fox news for helping the terrorists...

Plus for certain kinds of investigations, it would go against the court order to go public. I don't want to defend apple here but this is an American law enforcement problem, I'm certain ms, google and others have provided info to the government that would anger many and there are probably a lot of companies that do it without a court order... Trying to be good citizens.

Why the hell was that info on a laptop?

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by crag on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:28PM (#4475818)
That would depend on which court the order came from. If it was from the FISA court, for example, then publicizing it would send people to jail.

But again, if that were the case then it would be related to anti-terrorism efforts. Well I hope it would be. The FISA court exists for that reason (mostly).

I guess my paranoia depends on how much I trust the government :)

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by ANH on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @09:21AM (#4474407)
The National Cyber Forensics and Training Alliance in Pittsburgh is the office where the FBI Agent who posed as a member of the carding community worked when he helped take down Max Ray Vision, née Butler.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by gonzo on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @11:10AM (#4474864)
More:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/september/cyber_091611 “The exchange of strategic and threat intelligence is really the bread and butter of the NCFTA,” said Special Agent Eric Strom, who heads the FBI unit—the Cyber Initiative and Resource Fusion Unit (CIRFU)—assigned to the NCFTA. “The success of this effort at every level comes down to the free flow of information among our partners.”

Dan Larkin (the FBI Agent who setup NCFTA in 1997) http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dan-larkin/25/90/910

Note that he used to be with CIRFU. LIkely that he still is with the CIRFU. They share office space: http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/home/News.asp?id=51778... "Mularski works for a little-known FBI division called the Cyber Initiative and Resource Fusion Unit, run out of the National Cyber-Forensics & Training Alliance in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The unit is different from a typical FBI field office. It works hand in hand with industry and takes the time to do the deep research required to penetrate the world of online crimina

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by muppetman on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @03:27AM (#4473540)
Good thing the announcement didn't say "A large monster from Mars radioed these in" - Imagine how upset you'd have been at NASA!!!!

A bit of a dick way of putting it, but there's no evidence the FBI is involved in this other than some words in an announcement that could be by anyone with an axe to grind.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by Karunamon on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @05:20PM (#4476600)
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted here, it's a valid point. There is nothing to prove this list came from the FBI, and I wouldn't put it above Antisec/Anonymous to get into a database of some popular iOS app, release the info, and then say it was from the FBI both to slag on the FBI and to stroke their e-peni^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ego.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by muppetman on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @06:15PM (#4476819)
Neither am I, but I suppose the humour was a little too barbed.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by stray on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @09:12AM (#4474362)
A more likely source is neustar (a spinoff of Lockheed), who also has all that information and is actually in the intel business.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by munin on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @01:44AM (#4473309)
what kind of verification do you have that the file was pulled from an FBI computer?

could anonymous have hacked this information from Apple or a carrier themselves? what information is present that they didn't do that?

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by belorn on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @04:38AM (#4473689)
Are there any indication in the files that points towards a hack on apple or a carrier?
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by GrumpySimon on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:49AM (#4473175)
Another important money quote:

    we trimmed out other personal data as, full names, cell     
    numbers, addresses, zipcodes, etc. not all devices have 
    the same amount of personal data linked. some devices
    contained lot of info.
So the release "just" contains UDID's and zip codes.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by timdorr on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:42AM (#4473439)
Actually, it appears to only be UDID's, APNS tokens, device name, and device type.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by taybenlor on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:24AM (#4473103)
Is there any evidence that this data comes from the source they claim?

And is there some way to validate these are real UDIDs?

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by mehrshad on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @05:09AM (#4473755)
Sure - me. Both my iOS devices are on this list - confirmed both by name and UDID match.

However, I renamed my iPad around last November after I started using it more in public, yet its original name (easy to find if you search for my HN nick) is the name listed.

EDIT: Oh, and fwiw, law-abiding natural born US citizen here. But who am I kidding - LEAs don't give a toss about that.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by CGamesPlay on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @08:25AM (#4474222)
Does it have an APNS token? Is it possible to send yourself a push notification and see what app it appears to come from?
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by bricestacey on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @09:04AM (#4474337)
You need an appropriate cert for that.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by eli on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @08:09AM (#4474182)
...assuming this has any connection to LEA
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by farnsworth on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @11:09PM (#4477778)
It would be interesting if you and others with their device on the list could come up with a list of apps that you've had installed.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by lylejohnson on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @08:24AM (#4474218)
How does that prove that an FBI laptop was the source of this information (per the grandparent post's question)?
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by AimHere on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @08:37AM (#4474253)
Your grandparent asked two questions. He answered the other one.
Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by gregcmartin on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @02:50PM (#4475948)
I have information this morning from source thats "in the know" that this is definitely a false-flag attack against the FBI.

Non-gov researchers I know also attribute this to a possible hacking of an iphone/ipad application backend DB before Apple put in the UUID storing restrictions to the IOS api.

I'm only bringing this to light because it is easy to fall for things you read on the Internet and get excited/theorize.

Re:AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types by marcoamorales on Tuesday September 04, 2012 @12:33AM (#4473124)
holy shit.