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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by tharmas on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:13AM (#44344282)
Israel has nukes, so why would they be afraid of Iran?
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by raffraffraff on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:41AM (#44344454)
There's "having nukes" and there's "using nukes".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QgkUVIj3KWY

The trouble with a regime like Iran is that they are a death cult. The price the put on human life (their own people as much as anyone else) is low, and they're all for martyrdom. With Iran, you cannot assume it's a just a deterrent in a cold war. You have to assume an increased likelihood that they will actually use them.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by lostlogin on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:34AM (#44344750)
> The trouble with a regime like Iran is that they are a death cult.

Compare the number of deaths caused by Iranian weapons and those caused by Israeli weapons in the last year. Or 5 years, or 10.

Do you have some other way of defining ‘death cult’?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by raffraffraff on Sunday June 22, 2025 @05:04AM (#44345285)
A death cult doesn't care about deaths in it's own population as long as it wipes out it's enemy. A death cult prizes martyrdom.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by lostlogin on Sunday June 22, 2025 @04:05PM (#44349852)
That’s one way to justify the deaths I guess. It’s all Iran’s fault.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by djfivyvusn on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:35AM (#44344760)
Not only that, they were planning to give them to Hezbollah. The brain-dead takes I'm hearing about this shitty war amazes me.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by tharmas on Sunday June 22, 2025 @11:34AM (#44347755)
Only the USA has ever used Nukes.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by deepsun on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:53AM (#44344522)
The main point of having nukes is not using them. The moment one uses them -- they lost.

Nukes are good as a deterrent, not good as a weapon.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:11AM (#44344631)
Same reason the U.S. and USSR were afraid of each other in the Cold War.
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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by throw310822 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:22AM (#44344339)
I don't think you realise how ignorant and racist is this idea that an entire religion and country of 90 million doesn't behave like normal human beings.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by raffraffraff on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:46AM (#44344486)
Have you lived in Iran? It's not a whole country of 90 million people who will shout "Push the button!". Most of them are unwillingly imprisoned under a regime lead by the religious zealots who will push that button, even if it means destruction of themselves and their population. Or at least, that's the assumption that the west must make, based their religious views and their past rhetoric.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by throw310822 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:49AM (#44344501)
Which is their past rhetoric?

As for their religious views, hasn't their supreme leader declared multiple times that nuclear weapons are prohibited by their religion?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by raffraffraff on Sunday June 22, 2025 @05:07AM (#44345293)
So they're definitely not building nuclear weapons.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by throw310822 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:21AM (#44346296)
By your same logic.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by ta12653421 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:51AM (#44344511)
There was a very interesting "street walk video" by a somewhat-famous travelling-blogger, he visited Afghanistan, talked to a lot of people, created a lot of footage of their daily life, asking about the regime etc.

This video got blocked after publishing by a political action group / NGO, it came back online only after dozens of other YouTube channels reported that.

And yes - this video depicted life of people in a theocracy ;-)

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by LtWorf on Sunday June 22, 2025 @04:32AM (#44345105)
You can cherry pick and show anything you want.

I can go to USA, interview a few crazies (and there's a lot of them) and then make a documentary.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by youngtaff on Sunday June 22, 2025 @05:21AM (#44345368)
Texas wants to put the Ten commandments on every classroom wall!
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by sfe22 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:32AM (#44344733)
It doesn’t take 90 million iranians to push a button.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by hajile on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:57AM (#44346569)
Here in the US, our soldiers insert their nuclear keys and await instructions to turn them several times per day. If even just ONE of the hundreds of pairs of soldiers turns the key, then ALL the nukes get launched. 99.999999% of Americans have no say either.

The truth is that Iran doesn't want to take out the holy sites in Israel and if martyrdom were the real goal, then Iran would have started all-out war with Israel decades ago.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by sfe22 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @05:13PM (#44350334)
I first thought the first part is a joke. Didn’t know that. You make a good point below too.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by kennywinker on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:41AM (#44344450)
Isn't christianity the one that has martyrdom at its core? Jesus was martyred for our sins after all. Christians can’t really be trusted not to sacrifice themselves at the drop of a roman helmet.

Or not. Perhaps, we understand the nuances of that because we were raised in a christian culture, but don’t understand the nuances of martyrdom in islam because we weren’t raised in a muslim culture? I know that’s true for me, i assume that’s true for any non-muslim who claims stuff about the core of islam.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by asadm on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:26AM (#44344362)
You are wrong. Muslims don't wake up trying to get martydom asap. Protecting life (own included) is top-most goal, so much that even harming your body (tattoos etc) is strictly prohibited.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by Alex-C137 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:45AM (#44344481)
This is an extremely insane take and should be deleted immediately. Disgusting
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by snapetom on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:10AM (#44344627)
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by kergonath on Sunday June 22, 2025 @06:21AM (#44345648)
It’s bizarre to read that in a world where news have been dominated by American conservatives trying to bring us to the end times for years now. Bizarre, disturbing, and terrifying.
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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by MaxPock on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:31AM (#44344393)
They woke up and started bombing Israel for no apparent reason or they are responding to Israeli attacks ?
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by motorest on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:36AM (#44344422)
> They woke up and started bombing Israel for no apparent reason or they are responding to Israeli attacks ?

You failed to answer my question. Why?

Check out YouTube and see the high rate of ballistic missiles thrown at Israel. Those existed for years, and were developed for this exact purpose. It just so happened they didn't have the nuclear warhead yet.

I repeat the question: are you really asking why a country would be afraid of a regime which is literally raining ballistic missiles over them?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by MaxPock on Sunday June 22, 2025 @04:19AM (#44345014)
1.Israel bombed Iran 2.Iran is bombing Israel back

How is it supposed to work ?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by 9dev on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:39AM (#44344440)
Reducing the Middle East conflict so much makes the entire discussion useless. If you want to point at someone guilty, look at the British who fucked up Palestine big time. Everything since then is a spiral of revenge and spite.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by tguvot on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:17PM (#44351349)
Reducing the Middle East conflict so much makes the entire discussion useless. If you want to point at someone guilty, look at the Romans who fucked up Judea big time. Everything since then is a spiral of revenge and spite.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by dismalaf on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:17AM (#44344300)
Because Iran isn't afraid of the MAD aspect, because of religion. They'd use a nuke in Israel, and Israel is tiny so it'd be devastating.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by lostlogin on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:36AM (#44344766)
Would they? How would they deliver it? If they were caught trying to do it, what would happen?

Why is an Iranian weapon somehow different do one held by any other country? Countries with them usually don’t use them, and the one that has is attacking Iran.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by shusaku on Sunday June 22, 2025 @04:32AM (#44345097)
People are just fear mongering to suggest Iran would use them or give them to those who would. The real issue here is that once you have them, you basically entrench yourself as a regional power. If the regime started falling out of favor, all their neighbors would be obliged to come to their aid to protect the nukes. Also, you would be far more limited in how you fight your proxy war. These are the things the involved parties are considering, not Armageddon fantasies.