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Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by azinman2 on Sunday June 08, 2025 @10:06AM (#44217109)
Except this went very mainstream. Lots of turn myself into a muppet, what is the human equivalent for my dog, etc. TikTok is all over this.

It really is incredible.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by thierrydamiba on Sunday June 08, 2025 @10:22AM (#44217195)
The big trend was around the ghiblification of images. Those images were everywhere for a period of time.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by herval on Sunday June 08, 2025 @11:42AM (#44217643)
They still are. Instagram is full of accounts posting gpt-generated cartoons (and now veo3 videos). I’ve been tracking the image generation space from day one, and it never stuck like this before
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by simonw on Sunday June 08, 2025 @11:48AM (#44217682)
Anecdotally, I've had several conversations with people way outside the hyper-online demographic who have been really enjoying the new ChatGPT image generation - using it for cartoon photos of their kids, to create custom birthday cards etc.

I think it's broken out into mainstream adoption and is going to stay there.

It reminds me a little of Napster. The Napster UI was terrible, but it let people do something they had never been able to do before: listen to any piece of music ever released, on-demand. As a result people with almost no interest in technology at all were learning how to use it.

Most people have never had the ability to turn a photo of their kids into a cute cartoon before, and it turns out that's something they really want to be able to do.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by herval on Sunday June 08, 2025 @11:53AM (#44217722)
Definitely. It’s not just online either - half the billboards I see now are AI. The posters at school. The “we’re hiring!” ad at the local McDonalds. It’s 100x cheaper and faster than any alternative (stock images, hiring an editor or illustrator, etc), and most non technical people can get exactly what they want in a single shot, these days.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by Jedd on Sunday June 08, 2025 @10:45AM (#44217321)
Yeah, but so were the bored ape NFTs - none of these ephemeral fads are any indication of quality, longevity, legitimacy, or interest.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by mrkurt on Sunday June 08, 2025 @11:40AM (#44217629)
If we try really hard, I think we can make an exhaustive list of what viral fads on the internet are not. You made a small start.

none of these ephemeral fads are any indication of quality, longevity, legitimacy, interest, substance, endurance, prestige, relevance, credibility, allure, staying-power, refinement, or depth.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by Aurornis on Sunday June 08, 2025 @04:16PM (#44219240)
100 million people didn’t sign up to make that one image meme and then never use it again.

That many signups is impressive no matter what. The attempts to downplay every aspect of LLM popularity are getting really tiresome.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by jodrellblank on Sunday June 08, 2025 @04:28PM (#44219292)
I think it sounds far more likely that 100M people signed up to poke at the latest viral novelty and create one meme, than that 100M people suddenly discovered they had a pressing long-term need for AI images all on the same day.

Doesn’t it?

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by gretch on Sunday June 08, 2025 @04:53PM (#44219431)
It's neither of these options in this false dichotomy.

100M people signed up and did at least 1 task. Then, most likely some % of them discovered it was a useful thing (if for nothing else than just to make more memes), and converted into a MAU.

If I had to use my intuition, I would say it's 5% - 10%, which represents a larger product launch than most developers will ever participate in, in the context of a single day.

Of course the ongoing stickiness of the MAU also depends on the ability of this particular tool to stay on top amongst increasing competition.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by oblio on Sunday June 08, 2025 @11:20PM (#44221172)
Apparently OpenAI is losing money like crazy on this and their conversion rates to paid are abysmal, even for the cheaper licenses. And not even their top subscription covers its cost.

Uber at a 10x scale.

I should add that compared to the hype, at a global level Uber is a failure. Yes, it's still a big company, yes, it's profitable now, but I think it was launched 10+ years ago and it's barely becoming net profitabile over it's existence now and shows no signs of taking over the world. Sure, it's big in the US and a few specific markets. But elsewhere it's either banned for undermining labor practices or has stiff local competition or it's just not cost competitive and it won't enter the market because without the whole "gig economy" scam it's just a regular taxi company with a better app.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by simonw on Monday June 09, 2025 @12:11AM (#44221355)
Is that information about their low conversion rates from credible sources?
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by oblio on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:39AM (#44221681)
It's quite hard to say for sure, and I will prefix my comment by saying his blog posts are very long and quite doomerist about LLMs, but he makes a decent case about OpenAI financials:

https://www.wheresyoured.at/wheres-the-money/

https://www.wheresyoured.at/openai-is-a-systemic-risk-to-the...

A very solid argument is like that against propaganda: it's not so much about what is being said but what about isn't. OpenAI is basically shouting about every minor achievement from the rooftops so the fact that they are remarkably silent about financial fundamentals says something. At best something mediocre or more likely bad.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by cdblades on Monday June 09, 2025 @05:42PM (#44229839)
All very fair caveats/heads up about Ed Zitron, but just for context for others: he is an actual journalist that has been in the tech space for a long time, and has been critical of lots of large figures in tech for a long time. He has a cohesive thesis around the tech industry, so his thoughts on AI/LLMs aren't out of nowhere and disconnected.

Basically, it's one of those things you may read and find that, all things considered, you don't agree with the conclusions, but there's real substance there and you'll probably benefit from reading a few of his articles.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by ben_w on Sunday June 08, 2025 @04:58PM (#44219469)
While 100M signing up just for one pic is certainly possible, I note that several hundred million people regularly share photographs of their lunch, so it is very plausible that in signing up for the latest meme generator they found they liked the ability to generate custom images of whatever they consider to be pretty pictures every day.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by otabdeveloper4 on Monday June 09, 2025 @05:19AM (#44222667)
> 100 million people didn’t sign up to make that one image meme and then never use it again.

Source? They did exactly that.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by simonw on Monday June 09, 2025 @07:47AM (#44223493)
What's your source for saying they did exactly that?
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by baq on Sunday June 08, 2025 @12:03PM (#44217784)
It’s hard to think of a worse analogy TBH. My wife is using ChatGPT to change photos (still is to this day), she didn’t use it or any other LLM until that feature hit. It is a fad, but it’s also a very useful tool.

Ape NFTs are… ape NFTs. Useless. Pointless. Negative value for most people.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by senthil_rajasek on Sunday June 08, 2025 @01:45PM (#44218406)
"My wife is using ChatGPT to change photos (still is to this day), she didn’t use it or any other LLM until that feature hit."

This is deja vu, except instead of ChatGPT to edit photos it was instagram a decade ago.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by baq on Sunday June 08, 2025 @02:04PM (#44218516)
You either haven’t tried it or are just trolling.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by senthil_rajasek on Sunday June 08, 2025 @03:39PM (#44219063)
I am contrasting how instagram filters gave users some control and increased user base and how today editing photos with LLMs is doing the same and pulling in a wider user base.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by djhn on Sunday June 08, 2025 @03:26PM (#44219010)
I tried it and I don’t get it. What and where are the legal usecases? What can you do with these low-resolution images?
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by jauntywundrkind on Sunday June 08, 2025 @02:00PM (#44218488)
Applying some filters and adding some overlay text is something some folks did, but there's such a massive creative world that's opened up, where all we have to do is ask.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by Jedd on Monday June 09, 2025 @03:45AM (#44222266)
I would note that I was replying to a comment about the 'big trend of ghiblification' of images.

Reproducing a certain style of image has been a regular fad since profile pictures became a thing sometime last century.

I was not meaning to suggest that large language & diffusion models are fads.

(I do think their capabilities are poorly understood and/or over-estimated by non-technical and some technical people alike, but that invites a more nuanced discussion.)

While I'm sure your wife is getting good value out of the system, whether it's a better fit for purpose, produces a better quality, or provides a more satisfying workflow -- than say a decent free photo editor -- or whether other tools were tried but determined to be too limited or difficult, etc -- only you or her could say. It does feel like a small sample set, though.

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by micromacrofoot on Sunday June 08, 2025 @03:23PM (#44218998)
they're not but I'm already seeing ai generated images on billboards for local businesses, they're in production workflows now and they aren't going anywhere
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by sandspar on Monday June 09, 2025 @01:51AM (#44221721)
I just don't understand how people can see "100 million signups in a week" and immediately dismiss it. We're not talking about fidget spinners. I don't get why this sentiment is so common here on HackerNews. It's become a running joke in other online spaces, "HackerNews commenters keep saying that AI is a nothingburger." It's just a groupthink thing I guess, a kneejerk response.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by pintxo on Monday June 09, 2025 @02:24AM (#44221866)
I assume, when people dismiss it, they are not looking at it through the business lens and the 100m user signups KPI, but they are dismissing it on technical grounds, as an LLM is just a very big statistical database which seems incapable of solving problems beyond (impressive looking) text/image/video generation.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by sandspar on Monday June 09, 2025 @02:45AM (#44221974)
Makes sense. Although I think that's an error. TikTok is "just" a video sharing site. Joe Rogan is "just" a podcaster. Dumb things that affect lots of people are important.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by otabdeveloper4 on Monday June 09, 2025 @05:23AM (#44222680)
> We're not talking about fidget spinners.

We're talking about Hitler memes instead? I don't understand your feigned outrage.

The actual valid commercial use case for generative images hasn't been found yet. (No, making blog spam prettier is not a good use case.)

Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by simonw on Monday June 09, 2025 @07:44AM (#44223462)
Everything Everywhere All At Once won a bunch of Oscars. They used generative AI tools for some of their post-production work (achieved by a tiny team), for example to help clean up the backgrounds in the scene with the silent dialog between the two rocks.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by stavros on Monday June 09, 2025 @07:19AM (#44223303)
You're right, nothing has value unless someone figures out how to make money with it. Except OpenAI, apparently, because the fact that people buy ChatGPT to make images doesn't seem to count as a commercial use case.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by otabdeveloper4 on Monday June 09, 2025 @08:11AM (#44223657)
OpenAI is not profitable and we don't know if it ever will be.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by stavros on Monday June 09, 2025 @08:15AM (#44223693)
Have we shifted the goalposts from "something people will pay for" to "needs to be profitable even with massive R&D" then?
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by otabdeveloper4 on Monday June 09, 2025 @09:34AM (#44224366)
OpenAI is not "something people will pay for" at the moment though.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by stavros on Monday June 09, 2025 @09:45AM (#44224474)
Except lots of people are paying for it. I'll refer you to the other post on the front page for the calculation that OpenAI would have to get just an extra $10/yr from their users to break even.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by otabdeveloper4 on Monday June 09, 2025 @11:49AM (#44225701)
Your response reminds me of that joke about selling a dollar bill for ninety cents.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by stavros on Monday June 09, 2025 @11:52AM (#44225731)
Your response makes me think we have different definitions for profitability.
Re:The last six months in LLMs, illustrated by pelicans on b... by dbdoskey on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @06:33AM (#44246111)
OpenAI is not profitable because it is spending resources into moving forward and training new models and creating new tools.