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Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by timewizard on Sunday June 01, 2025 @03:40PM (#44153283)
Oswald was in the FBI subversive file. The FBI was actively investigating him and trying to interview Marina. There was a field agent assigned to him.

He was removed from the subversive file ONE day before the USSS searched it before the parade route. They always search the file before a parade.

Had this system worked as intended than USSS would have shut down the Book Depository and would have held Oswald in custody for the day. Even Hoover himself remarked how unconscionable this all was and he punished several agents for it.

This _particular_ lone nut should have been EASY to stop.

Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by UltraSane on Sunday June 01, 2025 @03:49PM (#44153339)
The secret service was amazingly incompetent for letting JFK ride in an open limo driving between so many perfect places for a sniper to hide. They made is so easy for Oswald. Why didn't they have agents in the buildings along the route?
Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by nradov on Sunday June 01, 2025 @04:24PM (#44153528)
It was a different time. Security arrangements were just a lot more casual then.

And even today the Secret Service occasionally screws up. The recent assassination attempt against Donald Trump made that obvious but there are likely a lot of similar errors which never get exposed.

Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by UltraSane on Sunday June 01, 2025 @04:31PM (#44153572)
Security for a ex-president and presidential candidate is a LOT more lax than for the current President because the vast majority of resources is always going to be used to protect the current president. The situation where someone could get a sniper shot at the current President would never be allowed to happen.
Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by stirfish on Sunday June 01, 2025 @04:31PM (#44153568)
>Why didn't they have agents in the buildings along the route?

Lol, I get it, but I'm pretty sure we've all settled on "just one shooter", or maybe "just one shooter, but secret service fumbled the AR getting into the car".

If you weren't making the reference I thought: some people believe that there were agents in the buildings around the route working together to shoot JFK - some with suppressed weapons and some without, so we wouldn't be able to easily localize where the shots came from by sound.

Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by UltraSane on Sunday June 01, 2025 @11:00PM (#44155518)
I think Oswald acted alone. I just don't understand why the SS made it so easy for him. JFK was served up to any sniper along the route on a silver platter.
Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by cyanydeez on Sunday June 01, 2025 @04:03PM (#44153415)
Is this in the files they released now or prior, sauce please.
Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by MonkeyClub on Sunday June 01, 2025 @04:22PM (#44153516)
> would have held Oswald in custody for the day

Preemptive detainment? That doesn't sound very constitutional, to be honest. Is it actually a thing?

Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by jazzyjackson on Sunday June 01, 2025 @04:51PM (#44153683)
In USA you can be held 24 hours without being accused of a crime. People have absolutely been picked up by cops and released the next day without apology, most recently the George Floyd protests in Portland, unmarked cops in minivans picked up protestors without any intent to prosecute, just done to break up the protest
Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday June 01, 2025 @05:03PM (#44153739)
> In USA you can be held 24 hours without being accused of a crime

Doesn’t there need to be probable cause to trigger the arrest? Thar be sketchy isn’t probable cause.

Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by MangoToupe on Sunday June 01, 2025 @05:23PM (#44153834)
Reasonable suspicion is indeed the standard, but it's quite easy to fabricate if you're literally just trying to detain someone and have no intent of seeking a warrant or pressing charges. I can't imagine they'd need to fabricate much for Oswald, whom they knew quite a bit about.

Certainly, the FBI to this day regularly engages in much legally sketchier behavior with much lower stakes.

Edit: cf their weird habit of actively encouraging children to become terrorists

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/10/fbi-sting-isis-autistic-...

https://theintercept.com/2023/06/15/fbi-undercover-isis-teen...

https://theintercept.com/2023/07/31/fbi-isis-sting-mentally-...

Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by dfxm12 on Sunday June 01, 2025 @05:22PM (#44153830)
Even in legal theory, probable cause is not so well defined. In practice, a judge can be found that will agree with cops on whatever they say.

The legal system in the US rarely favors the little guy. Even if you have an ironclad case, the expense to sue isn't worth it.

Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by t-3 on Sunday June 01, 2025 @05:19PM (#44153820)
Probable cause is a joke. It's incredibly easy to come up with a suspicion that someone is violating a law. That said, they don't need probable cause to arrest you, just to do so without potential liability. 99+% of people don't have the money, time, or connections to sue the police for probable cause violations, and even those that do likely won't win anything substantial unless there are several incidents.
Re:JFK files expose family secrets: Their relatives were CIA... by raincom on Monday June 02, 2025 @10:58AM (#44159496)
Heard of "probable cause on four legs"? That's what sniffing dogs are meant for. They can use a dog to find a probable cause, and they don't need a warrant either. That's a carve out from the fourth amendment.