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Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by nkrisc on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @06:45PM (#43978605)
1. Good beans. Something not roasted to a charred crisp (looking at you, Starbucks). Eat a coffee bean by itself. If it tastes bad on its own, it’ll probably taste bad in the brew too. I enjoy munching a few beans while I make my coffee.

1.5 Buy your beans whole and grind them. It really makes a difference.

2. Clean water. If your water tastes bad, so will the coffee. I just use filtered water from the fridge.

3. No science here from me, but after some trial and error I think 190F is a good temp. Might simply be because it’s at a drinkable temperature around the time it’s ready to drink (depending on how you make it).

I just make it in a small pot that is essentially a tea infuser. I basically just steep coarse grounds for about 5 min at 190F.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by pton_xd on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @06:50PM (#43978650)
> Eat a coffee bean by itself. If it tastes bad on its own, it’ll probably taste bad in the brew too. I enjoy munching a few beans while I make my coffee.

This just doesn't make sense to me. There are a great number of beans and vegetables that taste bitter or unpleasant "raw" but are very delicious with a bit of heat and time.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by simojo on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @06:54PM (#43978691)
> Eat a [roasted] coffee bean by itself.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by pton_xd on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @06:55PM (#43978699)
That was implied but it still doesn't make any sense. Eating dry tea leaves tastes nothing like drinking a cup of tea.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by alright2565 on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @06:59PM (#43978734)
Well, it makes sense for coffee. I would be happy eating any of the coffee beans I've purchased.

If you don't think it makes sense, then don't do it. There's no reason to argue with people who in their subjective experience have enjoyed it.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by blacksmith_tb on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @07:28PM (#43979012)
People eat chocolate-covered espresso beans? This strikes me as similar, just more in-your-face.

People do eat tea leaves (matcha for example, or Burmese pickled tea leaf salad). But a dry spoonful wouldn't be a good way to get a feel for a given tea, I agree.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by ErrorNoBrain on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @02:06AM (#43981334)
when you drink coffee you dont actually drink liquified beans

you just drink water which has super small ground up coffee particles in it...

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by Chathamization on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:40PM (#43979826)
Right, most people are would hate eating a 100% pure cacao bar, but that doesn't mean they won't enjoy chocolate. There's so much variability in these things, and in the end, it mostly comes down to "try different stuff and see what you like." I almost always drink coffee without any cream or sugar (exception listed below), but I wouldn't say I enjoy coffee more than someone who drenches theirs in both. It's just different tastes.

Even the oft-maligned Nescafe is pleasant for me if I make it correctly. Not the original formula, but the 100% coffee one without the extra ingredients. I thought it tasted horrible when I first tried it, but if I drowned it in a lot of soy milk it actually made for a fairly pleasant drink.

In general, people are going to be happier if they stop trying to cultivate aristocratic aversions to common food, and instead start cultivating curiosity and an interest in finding ways to enjoy things they didn't expect themselves to enjoy.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by PaulDavisThe1st on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @11:37PM (#43980510)
> most people are would hate eating a 100% pure cacao bar, but that doesn't mean they won't enjoy chocolate.

a wise old friend of mine once said "you think you like chocolate, but what you actually like is sugar in cocoa"

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rfrey on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @11:16PM (#43980388)
And there are many that if they taste bad raw, will taste bad cooked. Coffee is one of those.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by faizmokh on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @03:01AM (#43981670)
It’s something that you have to do to get it.

There’s a difference in taste between dark‑roast beans from Starbucks vs medium‑roast beans from your local coffee roaster.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by nkrisc on Friday May 16, 2025 @10:16AM (#44005814)
Ok, but I'm talking about coffee, not whatever vegetables you have in mind.

I've never had a coffee bean that taste bad on its own, but tasted good in coffee. Similarly, every coffee bean that tasted good brewed, also tasted good on its own.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by dgunay on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @06:51PM (#43978661)
That's pretty much how a french press works, if anyone wants to try it. Loads of cheap french presses available everywhere. It's very portable too if you need to make coffee and have nothing but water, heat, and ground coffee.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by alabastervlog on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @07:10PM (#43978849)
IKEA sells a very cheap steel (i.e. your kids won't break it when they knock it off the counter—ask me what happened to my first three of these, which were all ceramic) pourover cup with integrated fine-mesh metal filter (so you can still make coffee if you run out of paper filters—though there's some evidence the oils that paper filters remove are bad for heart health, and it does affect the flavor, too). I think it's like $10 or something. Same external requirements as a French press, which can be as little as "a way to heat water" if you grind your beans at the store (which, don't, but on the other hand, if you want to, sure, go for it)

By far my favorite coffee-making device I've got. I'd just do drip but cleaning the machines is a PITA (lots of people don't bother and their coffee all tastes like mildew, it's disgusting) and they all expose hot water to lots of plastic, seems like. I have a French press but it's a bigger pain to clean. Pourover cup takes up less space than any of that, too.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by mc3301 on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:07PM (#43979647)
Also the Vietnamese "phin" is an excellent coffee maker.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rgoulter on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @02:56AM (#43981638)
For the quality of the coffee, the Vietnamese phin is simplest/cheapest device.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:46PM (#43979865)
I have a reusable cotton filter that I use in a metal mesh pourover. Seems to work and is easy to clean.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by quickthoughts on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:22AM (#43980777)
Plus one for the IKEA pour over. Its cheap and functional, perfect for travel too.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by werdnapk on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:26PM (#43979752)
An aeropress is really an amazing piece of coffee making gear. I used to use one when I was on a budget and found it to be the best method of making coffee for little investment. There are a few tips and tricks worth looking up, but once you have things sorted out, it brews great coffee.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by tiltowait on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:41PM (#43979834)
The Aeropress almost feels like cheating. The Clever Dripper is similarly very nice and easy to use.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by DrillShopper on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:34AM (#43980850)
All of those things are true, and I'd like to echo them as a longtime Aeropress owner and enjoyer.

One other factor that matters for some, including me, is that nobody else in my family drinks coffee, and the Aeropress is an incredibly great way of doing coffee for one that with maximum results and minimum cleanup.

Other people in my family drink tea, so we keep a teapot and the Aeropress immediately next to the kettle and it works out great for us.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by KingMob on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @01:50AM (#43981232)
The Aeropress is great, but makes too little coffee. One day I'll have to try the XL version.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by FirmwareBurner on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @04:45AM (#43982336)
Out of curiosity, what is "too little coffee" for you? I can get about 250ml out of it.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by closewith on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @07:39PM (#43990338)
Many of us don't drink coffee alone. The charm of the aeropress wears off the ninth time you make coffee with it in a morning.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by KingMob on Thursday May 15, 2025 @07:55AM (#43994059)
Sorry, could you repeat your comment in all caps? I'm vibrating too hard to read it clearly.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by mths on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @02:51AM (#43981605)
I've been using my aeropress a lot lately after having it mostly collect dust for the better part of a decade. What I've found, as I've hopefully matured a bit since I got it, is that my problem with it was always more of a problem with myself; being a bit of a contrarian. The thing is just too revered, and for really no good reason. People are so damn pretentious about it with their recipes and championships.

James Hoffman, mentioned in the OP, has an excellent method of using it though. Removing all the bullshit and serving a slap in the face to the culture around it, I've actually come to enjoy this device using his no-nonsense "recipe".

I still prefer a good pour over but sometimes a quick plunge with the aeropress hits the spot.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by FirmwareBurner on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @04:49AM (#43982348)
>The thing is just too revered, and for really no good reason.

I disagree. I think the reasons are all solid. It's (used to be) cheap, almost unbreakable, easy to use, easy to clean, easy to carry, no faffing (unless you want to be pretentious), highly tolerant on incontinences regarding grind size or brew times. There is no other coffee brewer that ticks all these boxes simultaneously, and I tried them all. The only downsides are it doesn't make huge hearthy portions for multiple people.

>People are so damn pretentious about it with their recipes and championships.

So what? You don't have to be. Just use it the way it suits you best. That's kind of the beauty of it: you can use it like a caveman or like a campion barista if that's your jam.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by klausa on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @07:41AM (#43983291)
I think you entirely misread the OP's point.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by FirmwareBurner on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @10:30AM (#43984998)
Can you elaborate please?
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by klausa on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @11:10AM (#43985488)
I understood OP post as an admission, that the "too revered" and "people being pretentious" thoughts he held previously were due to him being "a bit of a contrarian"; and he doesn't believe those things anymore.

Now re-reading it, I am not sure if that reading is entirely justified given the "removing all the bullshit and serving a slap in the face" in the latter sentences. Oh well!

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by goosedragons on Thursday May 15, 2025 @07:53AM (#43994052)
Eh. I think something like the Kalita 101 ticks all those boxes too. And there's even less faffing and cleaning than the aeropress.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by nkrisc on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:11AM (#43984118)
Yep, though I like a brewer that lets me easily remove the grounds when I'm down brewing, as I don't want it steeping any longer after that as I find it negatively affects the taste if I come back to top up my cup a little later.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by dehrmann on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @08:23PM (#43979403)
> 1.5 Buy your beans whole and grind them. It really makes a difference.

I did an experiment with this (and you can, too!), comparing the same beans ground 5 min, 2 days, 4 days, and 6 days before brewing. The freshly ground beans were the clear winner.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by nkrisc on Friday May 16, 2025 @10:15AM (#44005796)
Sometimes I accidentally grind a bit too much coffee, and even an hour later the left over grounds already smell quite unpleasant, like stale coffee that's sat out too long.

It makes sense, though. Why do we grind coffee to brew it? To maximize the surface area and exposure to the water. That same increased surface area causes it to react with the atmosphere much more rapidly than whole beans.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:04PM (#43979627)
> Something not roasted to a charred crisp (looking at you, Starbucks).

Not everyone is going to like less-roasted beans. Less roasted beans have strong, distinct flavors which might be characterized as "green" or "floral" or "woodsy", and it's true that a lot of the individuality of the bean varieties is obscured by darker roasts. But I for one usually prefer the standard roasts of the mainstream vendors over the light roasts you can seek out at smaller boutique vendors.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by browningstreet on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @11:55PM (#43980631)
Third wave coffee roasters, like Revolution or Counter Culture, always taste distinctly sour. I can't drink those at all. I personally prefer medium to dark roasts.. even when I'm drinking them black.

I wish I could find the word that describes the lighter roast taste that I don't like (to me, it's the IPA of coffee) because I have yet to be able to walk into a coffee roaster and ask them, "Is your coffee <term of art>?" so I know not to even bother.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by NoThisIsMe on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:22AM (#43980775)
This! Whenever I mention that to me fancy light roasts taste sour, the response is almost always puzzlement, even from those who prefer dark roasts. Nice to know it's not just me.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by browningstreet on Thursday May 15, 2025 @12:24PM (#43996604)
I don’t know how may of us there are but yes, you’re not alone.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:31AM (#43980828)
Your IPA analogy is apt. (I love IPAs!)

As an experiment, try Starbucks Kenya. It’s one of the most aggressively citrus-y among the coffees they serve — that sharp flavor even survives the darkish Starbucks “medium” roast.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by browningstreet on Thursday May 15, 2025 @12:28PM (#43996652)
Thanks for the recommendation.

Starbucks and Peet’s and Red Bay and Equator are all good for me. When I was in Europe I didn’t have a single bad espresso. Here I dislike many of them and stick to espressos from classic roast establishments. I wish it was easier to feed my occasional espresso kick.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Thursday May 15, 2025 @02:37PM (#43997948)
Just to be clear, my recommendation is more to confirm what it is that you don't like. :) Kenya might be the most IPA-ish thing Starbucks sells.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by pests on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:32AM (#43980838)
Does it taste at all like skunked beer?
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by kasey_junk on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:43AM (#43980906)
Sour coffee frequently means the grind is too coarse for the bean or the coffee is not brewed long enough. Both of those are more common problems when working with lighter roasts.

You might experiment with the same bean and different grind settings to see if that helps with the taste you don’t like. Though age of the beans messes with this too which is maddening. Generally speaking though lighter roasts are more fiddly to brew so get messed up more frequently.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:55AM (#43980973)
This doesn’t ring true to me. My understanding (and experience) is that coffee beans have abundant flavor components which get burnt away by the roasting process. Brewing issues like grind and proportion of beans/water are a separate class of problems. Is it not possible in your mind that someone just doesn’t like the sharp flavors which are left uncharred in light roasts?
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by chii on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @01:35AM (#43981150)
> someone just doesn’t like the sharp flavors which are left uncharred in light roasts?

that is always a possibility.

It why you want to have a pro brew up the best cup that is possible from those light roast beans, and test out the flavour.

If you're a self taught brewer, you might find that you've made mistakes, and also mistakenly took those mistakes as the flavour of the bean, thus incorrectly dislike it.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by kasey_junk on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @07:09AM (#43983087)
It’s certainly possible people just don’t like light roasts, but _sour_ is a specific flavor profile which frequently has a specific cause, and that cause is more likely with lighter roasts. Which is why I mentioned it.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by jghn on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:42AM (#43984430)
What you say is true, but it is also possible that someone describing the flavor as "sour" isn't experienced enough to have built up the official vocabulary. You see this a lot in tasting cultures of various products, what one person means by X isn't necessarily the same as another person.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by EnPissant on Thursday May 15, 2025 @02:30PM (#43997868)
It’s more simple than that. Acids are sour. Coffee has acids that are transformed by the roasting process. Light roasts do this less. Some people like that taste and others don’t. Those that do like it often act superior and treat the other group as uncultured.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by EnPissant on Thursday May 15, 2025 @01:09AM (#43992021)
Strong disagree. All light roast coffees are excessively sour to me regardless of how they are brewed.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by peterlada on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @02:00AM (#43981300)
Ask for medium roast, not light. You might like dark roasts, especially if you drink with milk or fakemilk.

There are two kind of "sourness" in coffee, one is of acidity, which is a (for some highly desirable) feature of the beans, which can be toned down with darker roasting levels. The other is astringency (tea-like) which is a sign of extraction defect and generally not liked by all. This can be controlled with grind settings.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by randomcarbloke on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @07:19AM (#43983141)
it's the terroir, I love light roasts but can't stand sour, stone-fruity coffees, try island coffees or south american (specifically colombian) for nutty, earthy, chocolatey flavours.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by browningstreet on Thursday May 15, 2025 @12:28PM (#43996657)
Thanks!
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by Kirby64 on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:41PM (#43979833)
> Less roasted beans have strong, distinct flavors which might be characterized as "green" or "floral" or "woodsy",

Anything that could be called “woodsy” or “grassy”, or possibly “green” depending on what you mean by that is a roast defect. Either under roasted, or not roasted properly. I roast coffee that is frequently on the very end of light roasts and it should never have those flavors.

Floral is a flavor note that some coffees have especially at the lighter end, but not all of them.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:19AM (#43980764)
The terminology is subjective, and the idea that something someone somewhere on the internet characterizes as “woodsy” necessarily is defective is going to result in a lot of false rejects.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by Kirby64 on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:29AM (#43980818)
Woodsy, grassy, and floral all have pretty collective meanings in the coffee world. Sure, some random person can claim something is grassy when its not... but if you're asking a coffee professional, it's not that subjective.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:39AM (#43980872)
Leave it to the experts to make the experience of discussing anything miserable for the amateurs.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by Kirby64 on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @11:42AM (#43985885)
Miserable? Is it really that miserable to suggest that flavors are not that subjective? I’m not saying they’re absolute, I’m just saying that when you taste a lot of anything (coffee, wine, tea, chocolate, whatever) you get better at identifying flavors. And certain flavors are purely due to roasting a certain way. If you overroast coffee, you get burnt flavors. Now some people might like burnt flavors, just like some people might like grassy flavors. That doesn’t mean they aren’t generally considered to be defects in a roast though.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:02PM (#43986126)
Kirby64: “Ur doin’ it wrong. Ur coffee is defective.”

me: :(

Kirby64: ”What?”

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by Kirby64 on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:32PM (#43986478)
Please read what I wrote more carefully. It's considered a roast defect by coffee roasting professionals. That doesn't necessarily mean you have to hate it. If for some reason you like 'woodsy' or 'grassy' coffee, more power to you.

My point is that taste is not that subjective, but taste preference may be subjective. If you're a coffee roasting professional, you would attempt to get rid of such flavors since you're not getting the most out of the coffee.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @12:53PM (#43986704)
I’m sure I’ve experienced “roast defects” at some point. However, I’ve tried a lot of light roasts — some of which I’ve liked quite a lot — and surely not all of them were afflicted with such defects. What I’m describing as a general character of light roasts (more present flavor components compared to dark roasts since they are less burned away), which I’m characterizing as “green” or “woodsy”, probably isn’t what you mean. You’re fixating on the vocabulary rather than what is being conveyed.

For what it’s worth, I worked as a barista for a spell a long time ago and blind testing is a hobby of mine; I’ve done lots of dueling press pots experimenting with different varieties and brewing techniques. I also have a hobby of trying out new eateries and cafes. I’m a hobbyist, who loves coffee — but this love has been nurtured mostly outside of professional circles.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by Kirby64 on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @02:24PM (#43987649)
> You’re fixating on the vocabulary rather than what is being conveyed.

You're conveying meaning with your vocabulary even if you don't mean to. If you don't have the proper words to describe it, that's fine. Like I said, some people even enjoy particular defects in coffee. For instance, growing defects known as 'quakers' have a particular peanuty taste. It's considered undesirable, but some people might like that.

As to your general idea of conveying that light roasts all taste a certain way, I don't think I can agree to that notion. There's such a wide variety of flavors you can cultivate depending on the origin, roasting style, and processing method that you can't really make that generalization.

One thing I will say: many coffees that are advertised as 'light roast', especially in the non-specialty markets, tend to have one or more of the following problems: 1) underroasted (which leads to grassy/green flavors), 2) not actually roasted to 'light' (maybe more medium), 3) poor temperature control, as a result of trying to roast light (leading to 'baked' flavoring), 4) poor coffee selection for a lighter roast, leading to much more green/grassy flavoring as a result.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by rectang on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @03:10PM (#43988165)
Ok, you've convinced me. I hate coffee.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by jamroom on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:22PM (#43979735)
My experience with people who "don't like the taste of coffee" usually has been that they don't like how bitter and strong the taste is, which is almost always tasting the "roast" instead of the bean. Single origin light roast is the way to go if you want a really good non-coffee tasting cup of coffee. My recommendation is central america single origin (Guatamala, Costa Rica, etc) - the beans from this region tend to lean towards caramel / chocolate / hazelnut tastes which goes a long way in getting non-coffee lovers to like a cup of coffee.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by shreezus on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @11:57PM (#43980649)
I have recently been impressed by the quality of Mexican coffee (currently drinking one grown in Chiapas). Medium roasts tend to play nicely with beans from this region.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by SAI_Peregrinus on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @11:02PM (#43980300)
I don't like the taste of coffee. I don't like coffee in chocolate (though I don't like chocolate much to begin with), I don't like Tiramisu, I loathe coffee-flavored jelly beans, I've tried light roasts & didn't like them, medium roasts & didn't like them, dark roasts & definitely didn't like them, and several varieties of bean and liked none. I just don't like coffee flavor.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by junebash on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @11:09PM (#43980340)
I was in the same boat for many years (as in, my whole 35 year life), and today I still hate “coffee-flavored” stuff. But one day I was really tired and had to get stuff done, and asked for a recommendation for a coffee drink for someone who doesn’t like coffee. The suggestion was a vanilla latte. Fast forward a year and a half, and now I drink coffee almost every day.

If you haven’t given that or a caramel macchiato a try, I’d highly recommend it. You might be surprised. I was.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by SAI_Peregrinus on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @10:11AM (#43984766)
I have. I can tolerate them. But I still don't like them, and most places that serve coffee also have tea which I can drink without having to add large amounts of something to mask the flavor.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by PaulDavisThe1st on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @11:35PM (#43980498)
> though I don't like chocolate much to begin with

say what you like about coffee - it's disgusting, bitter, horrible tasting stuff.

but chocolate ? I shall beat thee as fine as the dust of the earth, I shall stamp thee as the mire of the street, and cast thee abroad.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by nkrisc on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:18AM (#43984189)
> say what you like about coffee - it's disgusting, bitter, horrible tasting stuff.

And so is chocolate, unless you put an absurd amount of sugar in it.

I drink my coffee black, though, no milk or sugar. When I've got a good bean and I prepared it just right, it reminds me of unsweetened chocolate, in a good way.

After all, coffee and chocolate both originate with the roasted seeds of a fruit.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by nkrisc on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:17AM (#43984183)
And that's the other side of the coin, some just don't like it. I think even for many people who do like coffee it is still an acquired taste initially.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by HeyLaughingBoy on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @02:39PM (#43987837)
It really is an acquired taste.

I used to be the same way. Although I liked the smell of coffee, I absolutely hated the taste. Then I met my wife, who would make a pot of coffee (and not "brown water" either) at 8PM and I guess I just got used to it. Now it's an everyday thing.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by el_benhameen on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @10:31PM (#43980110)
I’m one of those people. I thought I liked lighter roasts, but the third wave light-light super floral stuff tastes like lemon water to me (including stuff from nice roasters and nice shops). I can understand why people like it! But I’m habituated to the brown caramely middle of the road flavor profile and I’ve stopped trying to change. Starbucks’ lighter roasts are fine with me, much as it pains me to admit my lowbrow taste.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by chii on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @01:41AM (#43981188)
> lowbrow taste.

liking the "brown" chocolatey/caramelly flavour isn't lowbrow - you found a flavour you enjoy and it is valid.

The idea that only those people who enjoy the light floral type are "true" coffee enjoyers (and everything else low brow - including sugar laden lattes) needs to stop.

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by el_oni on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @01:58AM (#43981290)
There is a difference between dark roasts from a specialty coffee roaster and a dark roast from Starbucks.

The specialty dark roast will have notes of cookies, chocolate, nuts. Lots of brown roasty flavour.

Starbucks tastes bitter. With very little nuance. (Unless you cold brew it, then you can leave most of the bitter behind)

Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by nkrisc on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:15AM (#43984164)
I mean, sure, if you like that then please, go right ahead. I just know a few people who thought they didn't like coffee, but realized they just didn't like heavily roasted beans. I think most prepared coffee you get at places like Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts, that most people will end up trying, is roasted very dark. So they think they don't like coffee. And maybe they don't, or they just don't like very dark roasts which is all you're going to get in most places.
Re:Coffee for people who don't like coffee by qiqitori on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:12PM (#43979682)
I like making my coffee with much cooler water (60-75 C / 140-167 F). I do boil the water first to get rid of the chlorine, and to sanitize the electric kettle, so cooling it down after that takes a while. I pour it over the coffee myself. Then I put in cold milk to cool it down to drinkable temperatures. From April/May to November I put in ice cubes.