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Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by torginus on Saturday April 26, 2025 @05:01AM (#43801997)
BYD's allowed to sell in Europe. They're not crushing the market here. They're not substantially cheaper, or better for what they offer for the price compared to other manufacturers.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by herbst on Saturday April 26, 2025 @05:12AM (#43802052)
Within only a few months I see more Chinese Electric cars than Tesla (or us cars generally) on swiss streets.

Depending on what you are looking for they are WAY cheaper than comparable cars.

Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by Sammi on Saturday April 26, 2025 @05:44AM (#43802184)
VW is selling more EVs in Europe than BYD.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by herbst on Saturday April 26, 2025 @05:52AM (#43802220)
VW is not an American car maker. There are way more European cars in Switzerland than either Chinese or US. Obviously. Also more Japanese tho
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by mikrotikker on Saturday April 26, 2025 @05:34AM (#43802152)
No way I'd trust them. When you crash them or they have a battery fault, the doors lock you inside before the battery catches fire. Many videos of this happening inside China with one recent event in the West.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by motorest on Saturday April 26, 2025 @07:33AM (#43802691)
> No way I'd trust them. When you crash them or they have a battery fault, the doors lock you inside before the battery catches fire.

This matches reports from Tesla users. The cybertruck is specially prone to this sort of design problems.

Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by EasyMark on Saturday April 26, 2025 @12:30PM (#43805031)
Only cybertrucks I've heard about catching on fire where the ones purposely set on fire. While I'm sure it happens I doubt it's any higher than any other vehicle on the road
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by DrammBA on Saturday April 26, 2025 @12:54PM (#43805214)
Why is that a common failure mode in a crash? I can't think of a reason or bug that would lead to the doors locking after a crash.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by brewdad on Saturday April 26, 2025 @02:03PM (#43805774)
I think it's a well intentioned safety feature that was never fully thought through. Locking the doors in a crash can prevent a passenger from being ejected from a vehicle. However, if there is no reliable way to unlock the door once the acceleration forces have subsided, you've created a death trap.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by IrishTechie on Saturday April 26, 2025 @02:06PM (#43805797)
Most cars lock as you start driving, I assume the issue is they’re not unlocking when crashed.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by giantrobot on Saturday April 26, 2025 @02:19PM (#43805905)
Fail-safe designs are more expensive because they require redundancies, fully manual linkages, or just non-centralized control.

The Cybertruck went with daisy chained PoE automotive Ethernet variant. The same cables delivering power to subcomponents handle data. Damage/problems in a single component can not only bring down the network but kill power to all the car's subsystems. It means less wiring in the Cybertruck (and lower production expense) at the cost of durability and fail-safety. Someone looked at TokenRing Ethernet and said "yes that is best".

Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by dubcanada on Saturday April 26, 2025 @05:50AM (#43802213)
Are there not similar videos of Tesla, or other electric cars doing the exact same thing?
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by herbst on Saturday April 26, 2025 @05:50AM (#43802216)
That sounds like some kind of tiktok scare lol
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by yakz on Saturday April 26, 2025 @08:28AM (#43803002)
There's a mechanical latch release handle integrated into the doors, but they are very much not meant to be used during normal operation and are designed to be inconspicuous. This seems to cause at least some people to fail to operate them during a fast-paced emergency situation.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by beAbU on Saturday April 26, 2025 @06:10PM (#43807653)
Can you share some of those videos here please?
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by jiehong on Saturday April 26, 2025 @06:21AM (#43802363)
EU import taxes designed to make them less cheap than local cars do that.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by kasey_junk on Saturday April 26, 2025 @07:57AM (#43802815)
China has one of the least free trade regimes in the world, their currency controls alone amount to potentially more than Euro tariffs on cars and that’s just one part of their governmental stacking of the deck for their manufacturers.

I think it’s easy to look at the outputs of their industries and compare them extremely favorably to the outputs elsewhere, especially in EV.

But once you start comparing tariff adjusted pricing it gets much trickier much faster.

Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by atombender on Saturday April 26, 2025 @06:44AM (#43802455)
The EU has imposed tariffs and levies on BYD, totaling 27% [1].

[1] https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/chinese-e...

Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by doctorpangloss on Saturday April 26, 2025 @10:48AM (#43804133)
You're right, but comparing Switzerland to America... You need a car to live in 90% of the USA. That said, talking only about specs or prices is pretty reductionist. If anyone on this forum could forecast car sales based on pre-delivery marketing, you know, become a billionaire investor.
Re:The $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no ... by goosejuice on Saturday April 26, 2025 @01:15PM (#43805387)
BYD could slash european prices by quite a bit. They price them competitively to take advantage of the margin. The increase in price compared to their domestic MSRP is pretty wild, 2x in some cases. In a race to the bottom, they will win.