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Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by jader201 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @11:33AM (#43665255)
> a handful of powerful, connected "insiders" will be allowed to operate businesses, and will dominate... while everyone else gets wiped out, by acts of government

Note that this is not an exemption for companies, but an exemption for goods:

> A new list of goods to be exempted from the latest round of tariffs on U.S. importers was released, and it includes smartphones, PCs, servers, and other technology goods, many of which are assembled in China.

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by asadotzler on Saturday April 12, 2025 @12:04PM (#43665571)
So all anyone has to do to qualify is produce some of the most complicated electronic devices and components in the history of the world at the largest scale possible, without which there is zero chance of being sustainable or competitive, and then they can benefit from the gifts to the established giants?

What a gift. What a great idea. That'll surely spur innovation and domestic production and have no effect to further insulate the giants from competition.

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by eastbound on Saturday April 12, 2025 @12:41PM (#43665945)
And if you build your tech in US, well, you are disadvantaged because you have to pay the tariffs on every component you import from China.

So it’s actually an incentive to build in China.

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by ojbyrne on Saturday April 12, 2025 @01:12PM (#43666229)
So is your component in the list from a comment below -

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43665766

Then you don't pay the tariff.

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by iAMkenough on Saturday April 12, 2025 @02:52PM (#43666990)
Aluminum isn’t a component, but you would pay a tariff on importing it to build with it.
Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by rvnx on Saturday April 12, 2025 @01:36PM (#43666412)
The other benefit of building in China is that you will get unrestricted access to Europe and other markets
Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by Gud on Saturday April 12, 2025 @01:51PM (#43666523)
Why is this downvoted? This is factual.

Electronic imports, no/low tariffs.

Import material to produce electronics, high imports.

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by stubish on Saturday April 12, 2025 @08:13PM (#43668968)
It is incentive to somewhere you can get Chinese components without massive Chinese tariffs, can sell to the US without massive tariffs, and has cheap labour or tax incentives. Several countries will be sticking up their hand, if manufacturers take the gamble that the tariffs will remain for a long enough period.
Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by jader201 on Saturday April 12, 2025 @01:55PM (#43666549)
> without which there is zero chance of being sustainable or competitive

It seems like some of these comments are missing how competition works.

Competition happens within the same type(s) of goods, not across them.

That is, the companies making the goods still affected by tariffs aren’t in competition with the companies making goods now exempt by tariffs.

Yes, its true that they will have a better chance at thriving under these exemptions, but whether they thrive or not should have little impact on the other companies.

To be clear, I’m not arguing in favor of this decision — or any of the tariffs, for that matter.

I’m just simply arguing that competition isn’t really the angle to use to argue against this particular decision.

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by const_cast on Saturday April 12, 2025 @03:37PM (#43667331)
> Competition happens within the same type(s) of goods, not across them.

Not true, for example smart phones replaced home computers for most people. Those are two very different goods, but since they can accomplish the same thing for the average person they end up competing.

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by redserk on Saturday April 12, 2025 @11:44AM (#43665365)
It isn’t really cheap or easy to build a PC or smartphone business with name recognition…

Nor is it cheap or easy to build a company that would likely be able to appeal tariff exemptions…

Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by ojbyrne on Saturday April 12, 2025 @12:18PM (#43665707)
It’s exactly as easy or cheap to build a smartphone or PC business as it was a month ago. The headline is misleading.
Re:Apple, Nvidia, Dell, and Others Get a Tariffs Exemption U... by jrflowers on Saturday April 12, 2025 @01:55PM (#43666553)
I like the way that you phrased “I agree with you, it is not cheap or easy” here