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Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by andrewljohnson on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @03:56PM (#4351945)
Autonomous cars are the next big tech that changes the world - I put them up there with computer, Internet, and smart phone.

When economists think about technology, they look at it as a productivity booster. From that angle, robot cars will have a huge impact - so many commute hours will be transformed to work, or even leisure, which also boosts productivity.

So many smart people are about to be given a 10% or better bump in time to make and to do.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by adolfojp on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:35PM (#4352135)
Eating food from a tube could also give us a lot more free time but we don't do it because it is not an enjoyable experience. We not only enjoy the flavors and textures that regular food provides, we also enjoy the rituals that accompany eating. In this regard driving cars is somewhat similar. A lot of people enjoy driving and many actually find it therapeutic. Some exceptions do exist, like driving in heavy traffic, driving long distances, and driving to places where parking spaces are limited, but better public transportation would solve those problems much more efficiently than autonomous cars ever will.

So, while autonomous cars could and probably will replace regular cars in places that have regular roads and good infrastructure they will definitely face a lot of resistance from consumers.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by bartonfink on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:55PM (#4352244)
Not all eating is for enjoyment, though, just like not all driving is for enjoyment. People eat fast food which is certainly not as enjoyable as a well-prepared meal because of the convenience. People may like to drive sometimes (nice day, low traffic, they're on vacation - whatever), but it would take an unusual dedication to hedonism to completely set convenience aside for pleasure of driving yourself.

Further, better public transportation isn't a practical substitute for many scenarios in the United States where these driverless cars could make great inroads (no pun intended). It's not at all uncommon for someone to live 20+ miles away from the nearest public transportation in the United States without being "rural." If you're already far enough away from public transportation that it's unusable, you aren't likely to move without at least considering whether a driverless car will ease the pain of your commute.

Further, there are plenty of reasons that public transportation simply isn't a feasible option but a driverless car would rule. Two of my very good friends got married this summer, for instance, and their wives were from extremely rural areas such that plane tickets were ~$700 a piece. Instead of buying ~$3000 worth of plane tickets for my wife and I to attend each wedding, we drove 800 miles to each for far cheaper. If I could tell my car on Saturday night "Take me to Peioria, IL - and I need to be there by 3 PM on Sunday. Pace yourself accordingly." and know that I'd get there on time and safely, I'd absolutely do it.

I think that, within 20 years, driving manually will be seen in a similar vein to how driving a stickshift is seen now, and within 50 years, it'll be unusual for anyone to drive themselves anywhere.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by enraged_camel on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:50PM (#4352211)
>> Eating food from a tube could also give us a lot more free time but we don't do it because it is not an enjoyable experience. We not only enjoy the flavors and textures that regular food provides, we also enjoy the rituals that accompany eating. In this regard driving cars is somewhat similar.

Yeah, I felt this way for about two weeks after I learned how to drive. After that, it quickly got tedious and boring.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by danparsonson on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:35PM (#4352454)
I've been driving for over 10 years and I still enjoy almost every journey - I think autonomous cars are a fantastic idea but I would miss driving if I couldn't ever do it.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by enraged_camel on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @07:27PM (#4352944)
I don't think the automation would ever be mandatory. It would be more like auto-pilot, where it would do most of the mundane driving, but let you take over when you want.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by mchusma on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @08:20PM (#4353160)
Do you think once the automated car gets to the point where it causes 1000x less fatalities, that people would still allow the freedom to drive a 3 ton missile around public? I personally think not.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by protomyth on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @10:35PM (#4353573)
The first software recall on the driving software might be the end of it. Its going to take a while, probably a generation or two of people.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by zanny on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:13PM (#4352633)
It was never enjoyable to me, what with moving tons of steel 5x faster than primates evolved to move at. And all the other people on the road doing the same thing, often with texting and coffee and other distractions making it all the worse.

I can't wait for the self driving car, because I have much more faith in computer systems than your average person off the street.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by alwaysinshade on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @01:46AM (#4354125)
> Eating food from a tube could also give us a lot more free time but we don't do it because it is not an enjoyable experience.

Even if you thoroughly enjoy driving, a driverless car would afford other emotional highs from:

- Allowing you to get an extra [insert unit of time] of sleep - A bit of hanky-panky (even the one-man party variety) - Eating a meal (preferably not from a tube) - Playing games (a driving simulator if so inclined) - Reading HN

I love driving as well but I can see the benefits that'll come from automated cars will easily outweigh the negatives. One of those positives might be a more energised, happier workforce.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by roel_v on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @04:52AM (#4354581)
"but we don't do it because it is not an enjoyable experience."

Eh, no we don't, we don't do it because it's not available on the market and because there is no way to make such food sit well with our digestive systems, otherwise many many people would 'eat' (or should I say 'drink' or just 'swallow') food like that. I'd pay good money for not having to think about what to cook, actually cooking it, doing dishes etc. 3x7 times a week (if I still had the option to eat recreationally - i.e. no solutions that replace my digestive system with something else allowed).

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by jrockway on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @10:34PM (#4353566)
I'd eat food from a tube. I don't enjoy the flavors, textures, or rituals that accompany eating. (Sometimes, I even have a caffeine pill instead of a cup of coffee in the morning. Gasp!)
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by orangecat on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @10:40PM (#4353594)
Some exceptions do exist, like driving in heavy traffic

Which is a large "exception", since by definition lots of driving occurs in heavy traffic.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by paganel on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:31PM (#4352113)
> Autonomous cars are the next big tech that changes the world - I put them up there with computer, Internet, and smart phone.

I wouldn't be so sure. Yeah, it might prove to be a very good thing for the United States, but for the rest of world there's first Europe's public transport networks (I'm 31, don't have a driver's license, I live in Europe, I'm doing perfectly fine, thank you), and short of us reaching the Singularity I honestly don't see any of these cars driving in the crazy traffic of Cairo, Istanbul, or any other metropolis from the rest of Asia or Africa.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by imgabe on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:55PM (#4352246)
It's going to shift a lot of capital that's currently tied up in owning and maintaining cars into other uses. Right now, most cars are only in use for about 5% of their lifetimes. When everybody owns their own private car, those cars spend a lot of time sitting parked. If those cars could drive around and be used by other people who need them on demand, you'd need a lot fewer cars, as well as a lot less parking.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by rogerbinns on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @10:41PM (#4353596)
There are so many things I can think of. The taxi/rental/on demand model is far more likely to happen because who needs to own a car 100% of the time. Ride sharing is also easier - I suspect many people would be happy going a few minutes out of their way for halving the cost of their journey. (Computer systems would automatically manage supply and matching demand, as well as pricing.)

Not only do you need less parking for fewer cars, but you could have less parking for the same number of cars. For example there is no need for stores to have huge car parks - customer and employee cars can go and wait somewhere else and only return to the front door just as you come out with your goods. This can lead to far denser human centric areas.

Some roads can actually be decommissioned. Vehicles can load balance across existing alternatives and respond far quicker to developing bottlenecks. Occupied vehicles can be given priority over shorter routes than non-occupied ones.

Deliveries can be done without drivers. For example the delivery vehicle can drive to your home, work or anywhere else and you enter a code to get your items vending machine style.

It will give people greater freedom. For example if your vision isn't acceptable, or you have physical issues then it won't matter. In general the maladies that come with age won't affect mobility anywhere near as much as they do today.

Drives can be over longer distances as there is no driver fatigue. Perhaps there could be sleeper cars for when you want to go somewhere overnight.

Heck they can even do things like deal with you in the vehicle while you are driving to an airport or a border. You could show your passport, answer questions, check luggage etc. And then go straight through the border or walk straight to your gate at airport, or even be driven to a closer access point to the gate.

And I suspect we never get flying cars out of this. When the two dimensional earth surface is used so much more efficiently, why expand into 3 dimensions? And since we can increase the speed the more vehicles are automated, what advantage does flight have?

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by danweber on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:31PM (#4352730)
Remember that the "5%" of the time you use your car is probably the same "5%" of the time every one else wants to use their car, i.e. rush hours.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by labcomputer on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @12:13AM (#4353863)
Yes, it seems unlikely that the same car could be re-used for multiple trips. However, you could move the parking lots far away from the places people want to go because the car could drop you off at the door and then valet itself to a remote lot. That would at least free some of the very valuable space currently used by downtown parking lots.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by roel_v on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @04:44AM (#4354561)
Nobody is talking about replacing a car part of let's say 100 with a car park of 5. If we could just replace it with a car park of 50, which with current travel patterns is perfectly reasonable, that would be a tremendous gain.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by lars512 on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:33PM (#4352742)
The "lot less parking" will do wonders for urban landscapes. When I travel through cities (including my own) and land that could be used for parks or habitation swallowed up by parking space, it seems like an incredible waste.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by LockeWatts on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:24PM (#4352697)
Though this presents a problem in that we're burning through a car 20 time faster, (100% vs 5%). Most cars people own don't last 20 years, so they won't even last a year in the future? There better be some distributed economic system for providing those cars, because that's a large expense.

A car right now needs regular maintenance as it is every few months, even if it's just changing the oil. That will go from months to days if they're being used 24/7.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by roel_v on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @04:47AM (#4354567)
Actually a car that is driven frequently holds up better than a car that is only driven every now and then, and is left outside for the rest of the time. Cars in almost-constant use will also be taken care of better, and automatically; for example, they will be driven through a car wash automatically regularly, and the automatic oil monitoring system will replace said oil at a machine during 15 minutes somewhere at a point where the demand is lowest. Maybe we'd be burning the car 2 times faster, I don't know exact numbers - but it surely won't be 20 times, and for any multiplier lower than those 20, we come out ahead.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by natrius on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @07:22PM (#4352926)
Carsharing systems are already dealing with these problems successfully.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by spindritf on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:37PM (#4352470)
> I'm 31, don't have a driver's license, I live in Europe, I'm doing perfectly fine, thank you

I have a license but don't have a car (actually owning a car was too much of a hassle) and you're only telling half the story. Yes, day to day not having a car is fine, but every once in a while you want to buy something larger that is not delivered, or move some stuff, or go for a short vacation, or even just drive out of the city to pick some mushrooms and you're stuck. You either borrow/rent a car or skip on the activity.

A car does provide a kind of freedom that public transport simply can't. A car that drives itself, or, even better, a car that I can cheaply rent that will drive itself to my doorsteps, then drive me wherever I want to go, and then return itself would be absolutely perfect.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by icebraining on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @08:10PM (#4353119)
A car that drives itself, or, even better, a car that I can cheaply rent that will drive itself to my doorsteps, then drive me wherever I want to go, and then return itself would be absolutely perfect.

We have those, they're called cabs/taxis ;) Well, I suppose they're not exactly cheap, but personally I use them so rarely that it doesn't really matter, even though I'm on a tight budget.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by hansef on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @09:31PM (#4353394)
Ubiquity and response time matter. I live in Los Feliz, a popular LA neighborhood full of lots of 20 and 30 somethings with disposable income. It's nigh impossible to hail a cab here. In fact, outside of NY and the downtown business districts of a few other major American cities at certain times of day, "cab on demand" basically doesn't exist. If I want to go out without driving on Friday night, I use an app like Taxi Magic to request a cab, then wait somewhere between 10 and 30 minutes for a cab driver who speaks relatively poor English, has never heard of the bar I'm going to, needs me to provide turn-by-turn directions the entire way, misses our side-street repeatedly, and then is annoyed that I'm paying with a credit card.

Imagine instead being able to use an app where, in any urban area, you can have a car sitting in front of your house in 3-5 minutes, with reasonable mileage rates, exact GPS coordinates preprogrammed, and no haggling over tip and payment method at the end of the ride.

Speaking as half a couple paying $1000 a month in car payments, car insurance, maintenance and gas, this is going to fundamentally change the calculus for private car ownership in America.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by lsc on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @12:55AM (#4353986)
>Ubiquity and response time matter.

Yes. cabs are useless where I am, too. They say they will be there in 30 minutes, but that's best case.

But there are plenty of unemployed folks with cars. How much of the cab shortage is due to regulatory capture?

Imagine, for instance, an app where I could give my location, a timeframe and, say, an amount I was willing to pay. "Hey, $50 if you pick me up from the office and drive me home... if you get here within 10 minutes"

Such an app is technically easy, and I imagine there are enough people with cars either going where I'm going or simply idle to make it work. But there are... legal barriers in place.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by spullara on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @02:12AM (#4354205)
Isn't Über in LA?
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by jadyoyster on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:58PM (#4352839)
A (folding) bicycle can solve a lot of those problems.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by roblev on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:02PM (#4352289)
Not having to own a car opens up more options

Want a big car for a family trip? Just order one and it turns up where you are, ready to take you where you want to go.

A sleeper car for two? A flash sports car for the afternoon? A van for the day?

Pay-as-you-go personal transport from anywhere to anywhere where you can still be productive during the journey... Sounds pretty revolutionary to me.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by greg_bt on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:19PM (#4352359)
This idea already exists as car sharing schemes, it is incredibly handy. Self Driving cars will only improve car share schemes.

See the following sites for examples of car share schemes.

http://www.modo.coop/

http://www.zipcar.com/

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by stephengillie on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:25PM (#4352392)
What if you join Zipcar to Ridejoy to Uber to autonomous cars? Half taxi, half bus, totally convenient.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by roel_v on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @04:42AM (#4354554)
"(I'm 31, don't have a driver's license, I live in Europe, I'm doing perfectly fine, thank you)"

Anecdote does not data make. I'm 32, I have a drivers license and two cars, I live in Europe, and my quality of life would be severely impacted if I didn't have a car. The vast majority of Europeans live in places where the population density is too low for it to be sensible to depend solely on public transport, not to mention that only a part of Europe has any 'reliable' (I use that word loosely, because name me one public transport system outside of the German one that works 'reliably') form of public transport at all.

It only takes one or two times a month that you need a car (for big groceries, visiting a far away friend or relative, or going somewhere where there is no public transport) to make it worth while to get a car, and once you have it, it's better to use it as much as possible to make it pay for itself. Public transport is not a viable long-term option to satisfy our transportation needs - it's too expensive, inconvenient and inefficient. Lean, pay-per-use and easily rentable autonomously driven cars are the way of the future, and the near future, at that.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by adamsmith on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:40PM (#4352171)
Cars will become more appealing than public transportation over time. As the downsides of cars fall away, their packet switched functionality will ultimately win out, particularly for wealthier people.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by alwaysinshade on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @01:23AM (#4354072)
If driverless cars eliminated the need for public transport (in the contemporary sense) you could open up rail corridors to create highways for cyclists, joggers, and walkers - it would open up alternatives to motorised travel.

Or you could turn the theory on its head - use the rail corridors as motorised transport arteries and open up the roads to the bipeds.

(From Sydney where the rail network is extensive - I'd imagine places with less ubiquitous rail wouldn't benefit as much)

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by Someone on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:03PM (#4352591)
I would think the reverse. Why own a car if you can get a taxi at your door in the size/shape/color of your choice whenever you need one without having to pay for the taxi driver?
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by UK-AL on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @08:05PM (#4353104)
A taxi is a car.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by Someone on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:33AM (#4354836)
You are right, but I am, too :-). In my mind, a taxi also is public transportation. I do not think I am alone in that. Wikipedia disagrees with it in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_transport ("as distinct from modes such as taxicab"), but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxicab talks of "modes of public transport" for taxicabs. I guess the terminology will become more confused if/when driverless cars become commonplace.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by w1ntermute on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @08:00PM (#4353075)
> I honestly don't see any of these cars driving in the crazy traffic of Cairo, Istanbul, or any other metropolis from the rest of Asia or Africa.

You're wrong. Japan is also planning on introducing self-driving cars shortly.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by alwaysinshade on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @01:01AM (#4354005)
I think the parent poster meant cities where the road rules amount to a functioning car horn. The roads of Japan are nothing like Cairo/Istanbul etc. There are a lot of cars - but they drive in an orderly, predictable manner.

On a related note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurikamome

In Tokyo they already have an automated transit system that is basically a truck on rails. See this image to get a better picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Model_7000-Fourth_of_Yurik...

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by nandemo on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @10:14AM (#4355632)
Yurikamome is just a driverless train.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by alwaysinshade on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @06:46PM (#4358514)
It's not a train in the classical sense - it has rubber tires. More like a truck confined to a rail.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by flyinRyan on Wednesday August 08, 2012 @09:44AM (#4355490)
Either you have the perfect commute (rent must be expensive?) or you're just not paying attention to how much time you're using in travel. Public transport takes longer than driving in virtually every possible situation. The only equalizer is if your commute were near perfect, and short you might gain a slight advantage since the driver has to park.

But if we go to robot cars we no longer have to park.

Also, places like Cairo are bad because of the human drivers. If you only allow robot cars that all goes away. The system can know where everyone is and where they are going and adjust speeds to the point of having your car end up 20cm behind the next car instead of having to use the breaks if you went 1/kmph faster for the last 200km.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by Jimbotron on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:58PM (#4352270)
I'll tell google to stop work because it doesn't help with your daily commute :-)
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by TylerE on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @03:59PM (#4351958)
So will susceptibility to car sickness become a federally-protected disability?
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by fghh45sdfhr3 on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:07PM (#4351995)
I wonder how much of car sickness is thanks to the driver. And if a good enough software could drive without causing car sickness?
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by snewman on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:21PM (#4352059)
Car sickness tends to happen when you're focusing on the interior of the car. That's what leads to the disconnect between your visual field and your mechanical sense of motion. I expect this is the main reason that drivers are rarely affected -- they're always looking out the window (more or less), so their visual sense of motion remains aligned with their other senses.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by jlgreco on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:58PM (#4352269)
In my personal experience, car sickness is caused by high jerk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_%28physics%29), primarily during deceleration. (This is also commonly known as "bad driving".) I imagine this is something that self-driving cars won't have a problem with.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by dclowd9901 on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:57PM (#4352564)
Seconded. I can take road trips like crazy, but hop in the Mountain View Caltrain shuttles with their crap drivers on a warm day, and I seriously feel like I could lose my lunch.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by nitrogen on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:24PM (#4352384)
That doesn't necessarily account for people getting car sick on long, smooth, winding canyon roads driven at constant speed. The jerk induced by following the curves in the road should be lower than that caused by braking.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by jlgreco on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:46PM (#4352518)
Honestly I think it is a combination of where your awareness is focused, and jerk. Long windy roads put varying lateral forces on passengers which probably become an issue if their focus is in the car.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by nitrogen on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @06:10PM (#4352619)
Sometimes I get "carsick" while working with very small components (such as eyeglass-sized screws) that aren't behaving as they should, so I would have to attribute greater weight to the idea that carsickness is caused by a disagreement between the senses.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by TylerE on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:15PM (#4352033)
Well, at least in my case, it only happens as a passenger. I can sit there, and I'm fine, but the instant I try to read something, watch a video, or something like that, I start to feel bad.

Actually, even a glance at my GPS while driving wil occasionally cause a twinge.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by alexsb92 on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:16PM (#4352036)
I don't necessarily think that will be the case. As far as I knew (and from re-skimming the wiki article), car sickness (and any kind of motion sickness) is caused by the brain seeing different things than what it's processing from the inner ear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_sickness

So it's more up to the individual in question, then the driver (considering a normal, average car ride, not anything in the extremes).

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by Splines on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:28PM (#4352098)
Maybe if you had some sort of AR setup that projected what you were interested in onto the environment. E.g., passengers would be able to read a book as if it was on a billboard floating on the horizon. Would that be enough to combat the effect?
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by apike on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:29PM (#4352410)
In theory, yes. Motion sickness depends on the type of motion. A very bouncy or aggressive ride will result in more sickness, whereas a very smooth ride (such as a train) results in less. It's all about how much confusion there is between what you're seeing and your sense of balance.

As it happens, the same types of driving that are more fuel efficient cause less motion sickness. Still, driving anywhere with stop lights and other traffic probably necessitates enough stopping and starting that even maximally efficient driving software would cause motion sickness in many people.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by damoncali on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @04:22PM (#4352066)
For me, it is a side effect of some problems with my vision. I hear it is curable with vison therapy, but that is quite expensive.
Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by TylerE on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @05:55PM (#4352557)
That's actually really interesting.

I've always worn glasses but my vision has gotten progressively worse as I've aged - it's not bad, even now, I can legally drive without glasses - but it's enough to be noticeable.

I also was much less prone to motion sickness when I was younger - I would happily read full novels while riding along as a grade schooler.

Re:Google's Autonomous cars complete 300,000 miles without a... by damoncali on Tuesday August 07, 2012 @10:19PM (#4353529)
My eyes have been awful since I was a kid, but just near-sighted. My daughter needed vision therapy as a young child, and when I went into the therapist's office, I got an exam for my glasses prescription.

Turned out that I had similar issues, just not noticeable. It had to do with my eyes not being able to properly maintain a focus at a specific distance over time, and their ability to track properly. I've always been a slow reader - this is at least partly why. I was told that it's also responsible for the fact that I get car sick within seconds of reading in the car, and that it goes away with therapy. Unfortunately, I never did go through with the therapy.