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Re:Claude can now search the web by mvdtnz on Thursday March 20, 2025 @01:46PM (#43426421)
No thank you, when I define a robots.txt file I expect all automated systems to respect it.
Re:Claude can now search the web by TheDudeMan on Thursday March 20, 2025 @01:51PM (#43426504)
But this isn't automated. This is user-driven.
Re:Claude can now search the web by jrflowers on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:08PM (#43426770)
If this feature isn’t already part of the Claude API it likely will be at some point, in which case many Claude requests will be automated with no way to distinguish between user-driven or otherwise.
Re:Claude can now search the web by pixl97 on Thursday March 20, 2025 @03:22PM (#43427728)
Simply put, at the end of the day you lose, AI blocking will not work.

I mean, currently the AI request comes from the datacenter running the AI, but eventually one of two things will happen.

AI models will get small/fast enough to run on user hardware and use the users resources: End result? You lose. The user will set their own headers and sites will play the impossible game of identifying AI.

AI sites will figure out how to route the requests via any number of potential methods so the requests appear to come from the user anyway: End result? You lose. The sites attempting to block will play the cat and mouse game of figuring out what is AI or not AI.

Note, this doesn't mean AI blocking isn't worth doing, if nothing else to reduce load on the servers. It's just not a long term winning strategy.

Re:Claude can now search the web by ipaddr on Thursday March 20, 2025 @04:02PM (#43428186)
Welcome to the world of CAPTCHAs
Re:Claude can now search the web by pixl97 on Thursday March 20, 2025 @04:21PM (#43428427)
Heh, I'm always reminded of dunkey when captchas are brought up. It seems AI gets better faster at them than humans do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqnXp6Saa8Y

Re:Claude can now search the web by jimbokun on Thursday March 20, 2025 @05:07PM (#43428996)
Depends if the legal system survives.

You may not be able to stop AIs from crawling web sites through technological means. But you can confiscate all the resources of the company that owns the AI.

Re:Claude can now search the web by hooverd on Friday March 21, 2025 @10:33AM (#43436200)
Ideally bad behavior by AI companies should trigger crushing fines and jail time for executives.
Re:Claude can now search the web by jimbokun on Thursday March 20, 2025 @05:05PM (#43428966)
It’s clearly not. The human user is not requesting the resource. The AI is.
Re:Claude can now search the web by wraptile on Friday March 21, 2025 @01:39AM (#43432133)
It's clearly not. The human user is not requesting the resouce. The web browser is.

Where do we stop here? at "please drink a verification can and maintain eye contact at all times"?

Re:Claude can now search the web by victorbjorklund on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:33PM (#43427126)
A browser is automated too.
Re:Claude can now search the web by goatlover on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:45PM (#43427280)
Browser don't automatically browse, unless they are being automated.
Re:Claude can now search the web by beeflet on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:22PM (#43426974)
Someone should call the robots.txt police then, there's a bandit on the loose!
Re:Claude can now search the web by Sargos on Thursday March 20, 2025 @02:59PM (#43427488)
Any AI tool I make will ignore robots.txt on principle. Artificial humans should have equal rights as real humans.
Re:Claude can now search the web by creddit on Thursday March 20, 2025 @03:06PM (#43427570)
> Artificial humans should have equal rights as real humans.

This is ridiculous and plain evil.

Re:Claude can now search the web by rvense on Thursday March 20, 2025 @03:30PM (#43427824)
People like you are ruining the internet.
Re:Claude can now search the web by navigate8310 on Friday March 21, 2025 @03:14AM (#43432631)
Think of the "searching" LLM as a peon of the user, the user asks, the peon performs. In that essence, searching by the LLM should be human-driven and must not be blocked. It's just an automated system doing the search not your personal peon.
Re:Claude can now search the web by bcrosby95 on Friday March 21, 2025 @10:05AM (#43435865)
Can't you make the same argument for a crawler? The user wants information, the peon (crawler) just compiles it for them.
Re:Claude can now search the web by theshackleford on Friday March 21, 2025 @04:07AM (#43432965)
Then you’ve fundamentally misunderstood what a robots.txt file does or is even intended to do and should reevaluate if you should be in charge of how access is or is not prevented to such systems.

Absolutely nothing has to obey robots.txt. It’s a politeness guideline for crawlers, not a rule, and anyone expecting bots to universally respect it is misunderstanding its purpose.

Re:Claude can now search the web by usrbinbash on Monday March 24, 2025 @10:37AM (#43461609)
> Absolutely nothing has to obey robots.txt

And absolutely no one needs to reply to every random request from an unknown source.

robots.txt is the POLITE way of telling a crawler, or other automated system, to get lost. And as is so often the case, there is a much less polite way to do that, which is to block them.

So, the way I see it, crawlers and other automated systems have 2 options: They can honor the polite way of doing things, or they can get their packets dropped by the firewall.