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Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by cursor_it_all on Thursday March 13, 2025 @06:45AM (#43351997)
> Authorities suspect that Huawei lobbyists have paid bribes to MEPs in return for backing their cause in the European Union.

Isn’t that the cost of doing business in the EU?

And sadly the US for now: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-fcpa-anti-bribery-law-exe...

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by benterix on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:07AM (#43352117)
>> Authorities suspect that Huawei lobbyists have paid bribes to MEPs in return for backing their cause in the European Union.

> Isn’t that the cost of doing business in the EU?

No, it's not. If you represent a business there is an official way to express your stance and lobby for your cause but bribing MEPs is a criminal offence (both for the perpetrator and those who receive personal benefits).

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by aoro30 on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:39AM (#43352299)
Its how all telco hardware companies operate - google "Ericsson/Nortel/Seimens bribe".

The only reason the EU has to depend on Huawei is because EU telco hardware which once ran most of China telco can't compete anymore. So they have to play this game until local players get their act together.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by heraldgeezer on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:18AM (#43352516)
>The only reason the EU has to depend on Huawei is because EU telco hardware which once ran most of China telco can't compete anymore.

Cant compete on what?

Features?

Price?

Do tell, you seem to have information.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by rsynnott on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:23AM (#43352552)
... I mean, if this were the case, Huawei would have a monopoly, and no reason to bribe anybody. Like, put a _bit_ of thought into this stuff; your claim cannot possibly be correct.

For what it's worth, the UK, having banned Huawei stuff, is currently ripping out their Huawei 5G gear and replacing it with largely equipment from Ericsson.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by blitzar on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:28AM (#43352594)
Huawei did have a monopoly.

They were bribing officials to try to get them to not ban them in the great Huawei wars of the late 2010's / early 2020's - which led to the UK banning Huawei at the behest of the US for political reasons.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by rsynnott on Thursday March 13, 2025 @09:23AM (#43353079)
Huawei clearly doesn't and didn't have a monopoly; in 2022 before the bans really got going it had about a 30% market share, vs Ericsson 25% and Nokia 20%.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by dachworker on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:48AM (#43352341)
Please do tell how lobbying without bribery is supposed to operate.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by amarcheschi on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:57AM (#43352392)
I do not know if it's a joke that i'm too european to understand or you're serious, but at least in europe there are some rules regarding lobby and transparency[1]. Bribes are of course something that doesn't follow the rules and thus are not lobbying.

[1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/transparen...

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by dachworker on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:02AM (#43352415)
I am also European and your way of thinking is completely alien to me.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by pferde on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:05AM (#43352430)
Maybe you should move to Russia, or the USA, where your way of thinking would be much more at home.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by ahartmetz on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:59AM (#43352398)
Same way as advertising, just much more personal. There are ways to change people's opinions without paying them.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by 2thumbsup on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:10AM (#43352467)
Plenty of companies have Public Affairs departments that work essentially as lobbyist, but no bribery neither to the MEP nor the Political Party is involved.

Many lobbyists work "simply" by producing reports and collecting data that works in favor or their proposals, publishing them to opinion pieces in newspapers etc.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by gadders on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:15AM (#43352499)
There is no explicit bribery, but there are plenty of examples where a government bureaucrat leaves to join a company they were "regulating" on a fat pay cheque.

The EU is not unique in this though.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by jampekka on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:04AM (#43352426)
Bribery becomes lobbying when bribery is legalized. Also especially enforcement depends on who does the favors for the reps and officials.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by dmos62 on Thursday March 13, 2025 @09:51AM (#43353353)
Without judgment: I've started noticing how a different culture cannot imagine some phenomenon (e.g. some problem) not occuring in another culture. It's leading me to question what things I consider as universal constant that aren't.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by blitzar on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:34AM (#43352261)
Have them sue you for something, reach a settlement and pay them "damages".
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by mytailorisrich on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:43AM (#43352322)
Being an MEP is an absolute gravy train. They should not need bribes to make ends meet.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by gadders on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:14AM (#43352491)
I think he cancelled that law because other nations weren't applying similar laws.

Anti-corruption is OK, but you lose out if you're the only one complying.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by cjfd on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:02AM (#43352081)
Keep your cynicism on the other side of the Atlantic. This kind of talk is what led to your traitor president being elected. Europe is in much better shape.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by huijzer on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:15AM (#43352168)
Some questions from your side of the Atlantic (I’m Dutch): how is Europe in good shape while Germany is in a recession for years now? And while our governments are becoming as polarized as the US? And while electricity prices are so high that it’s cheaper to stick to fossil fuels? It all makes no sense. I don’t think it’s all hopeless in Europe. But pretending we are in good shape is also not the way to go.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by watwut on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:38AM (#43352280)
The question was about bribes being legal. And while Europe is not perfect, overall it is not is a destructive mode USA is in.

And in order for that to not happen, arguing against spread of knee jerk lies is a good thing.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by FirmwareBurner on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:38AM (#43352283)
>how is Europe in good shape while Germany is in a recession for years now?

It's in a better shape because unlike the US leaders, European leaders are much better at pandering, being politically correct and saying the right socially acceptable things in public that get universal appraisal on the world stage, without them actually doing anything concrete or solving any of the issues. Basically, they win on optics. At least I'm sure that's what he meant with that virtue signaling attack.

Because if we look objectively at how the EU politics handled the economy, defense, illegal immigration, AI & tech innovation, domestic EV industry, rise of China, Russia's invasion of Crimea, etc. over the years, they're definitely not worth their salt.

Case in point, EU had the same GDP as the US 20 years ago. Now it's only half of that the US. So not only they've left us poorer, but also militarily weak and exposed to influence of China, Russia, and of course the Trump's new US policies.

IMHO, 20 years ago Trump wouldn't have the balls to try to boss the EU around like that but he can today because we're no longer peers but pushovers with no leverage, no military leverage, no economic leverage, no tech leverage, no natural resource leverage, nothing other than calling him names, because our useless politicians were asleep at the wheel and left us vulnerable to such bullies.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by huijzer on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:53AM (#43352372)
> It's in a better shape because unlike the US leaders, European leaders are better at pandering, being politically correct and saying the right socially acceptable things in public

I couldn't agree more. What I keep wondering though is whether this is new? Have politicians always focused on saying they fix things instead of actually fixing things? Many historians consider Franklin D. Roosevelt as one of the best presidents since his optimism and New Deal got the United States out of the Great Depression (which is a weird name because nobody thinks it was very great). Are presidents like Roosevelt the exception? Should we expect that most presidents will achieve nothing more than a scandal like Watergate? I don't know.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by amarcheschi on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:44AM (#43352327)
In other comments you talked about how eu spending money to defend eu[1] and the romanian candidate being arrested for violating the law weren't the right things to do[2], or at least complained about how they were done.

To my eyes, these things show that in fact, eu is actually doing something about defense and protecting democracy, and to your eyes you see this as more taxes and the death of democracy and an evidence of romania's corruption. What actions would you expect eu to take in regard to ukraine, defense, and protecting democracy?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43287963#43288810

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43278705#43278894 (not just the first comment, the chain of answers is needed to be read as well)

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by FirmwareBurner on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:47AM (#43352339)
What's you point by moving the discussion to something else by bringing up tangential but unrelated comments I made a while ago?

Sorry, I'm not gonna bite.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by amarcheschi on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:55AM (#43352384)
I showed some things that you do not see as the right course of action for the eu, i'm not moving the discussion. I'm genuinely interested in the path you would take regarding defense in europe
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by FirmwareBurner on Thursday March 13, 2025 @02:36PM (#43356067)
It wouldn't be wise for me to further engage with people who's defense to all arguments they don't agree with is accusing people of being pro-Russian[1] or victims of Russian propaganda[1] without any evidence, and then later try to frame it as some form of curiosity on their part in order to absolve themselves of bad faith argumentation and move the accusations towards the other party, a well known technique tabloid reporters use to get a soundbite. It's fine by me if you think whoever you want as pro-Russian, I just don't want to be dragged into it.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43295033

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by amarcheschi on Friday March 14, 2025 @06:07AM (#43361080)
As a matter of fact, there was evidence - multiple evidences - that lead to the arrest of the Romanian candidate you talked about.

If not believing evidences - multiple ones - is not a proof of being influenced by Russian propaganda, a country that has repeatedly interfered in European affairs, I do not know what would be categorized as being influenced by Russian propaganda. Maybe directly going to Moscow and fighting for Russia?

Anyway, I was genuinely curious about your ideas on European defense, since you don't see many shared values in eu i was intrigued to see the views of someone who doesn't see Europe as more than a merely political one, with no common values

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by thiago_fm on Thursday March 13, 2025 @09:13AM (#43352963)
If EU countries ran a deficit as large as the US did for the past 20 years...

We'd have even more GDP growth than America :-)

As well, the Euro would be worthless. US could print the 2008 crisis without massive currency debasement because of its reserve currency status, which in 10 years could not be the case anymore.

This means that the US has this huge deficit problem to fix, where most of it is because of Medicaid and Social Security entitlements (which will also grow faster in the next years).

The US is in a terrible fiscal shape right now, the next 10 years will be a rough ride for the average American.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by FirmwareBurner on Thursday March 13, 2025 @01:36PM (#43355547)
>which in 10 years could not be the case anymore

What makes you say that? A lot of things can happen in 10 years. Should we all just do northing and wait until then?

>The US is in a terrible fiscal shape right now

If being the worlds leading economy and military superpower is what a terrible fiscal shape looks like I think many countries in the world would want to be "terrible" right now.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by auggierose on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:04AM (#43352097)
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by LadyCailin on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:11AM (#43352144)
You’ll notice that in one of the cases, it is creating felons, and in the other, it’s elevating felons to high office. Pretty key difference.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by bn-l on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:25AM (#43352214)
Whataboutism
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by wizzwizz4 on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:50AM (#43352353)
It's only whataboutism if it's from the nonsequitur region of France. Otherwise it's just sparkling comparison.
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by suraci on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:22AM (#43352204)
TBO, I've heard of cases where some European politicians were sentenced for bribery, but I rarely hear about such cases in the US.

I don't know, perhaps it's because American politicians have higher moral standards, or maybe it's because bribery is not illegal in the United States.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by palata on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:58AM (#43352397)
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by brnt on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:33AM (#43352630)
Americans elect Trump who openly supports a company of his biggest donor. Also, pork.

Americans just don't have a problem with it.

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by trothamel on Thursday March 13, 2025 @08:37AM (#43352651)
Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by pqtyw on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:14AM (#43352163)
That's a weird attitude. Ignoring real problem and burying one's head into the sand until its too late is what got US into the mess it is in now.

Are you implying that nobody should be able to criticize anything before its too late?

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by jisnsm on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:05AM (#43352101)
European politicians are superhuman and are way above bribes and such inferior, unsophisticated things.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/10/i-aske...

Re:Huawei targeted in new European Parliament corruption probe by amarcheschi on Thursday March 13, 2025 @07:08AM (#43352125)
Being in better shape doesn't mean perfect. While not being perfect, i don't think equating the corruption in EU organization is even remotely comparable to whatever the hell Trump is doing by buying teslas at the white house. The most important man of the world manages to be now seen as a con man, which is not exactly what you're looking for in a leader (And yes, i do blame von der leyen for some of her scandals as well).

I do give that the comment you're answering to is unnecessary rude