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Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by porphyra on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:03AM (#43299922)
Wipers have physical controls on the wheel/stalk.

You never need to touch the AC controls when driving thanks to auto mode. In the worst case you can use voice control, which you can again trigger from a physical control.

The 3D visualization is completely separate from the code that actually runs FSD, auto park, and other driver assist features, so just because it shows something wonky like a motorbike doesn't mean that it's what the car "thinks" it is.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by ForTheKidz on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:11AM (#43299976)
For those of us who don't own a tesla, what on earth is "auto mode"?
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by porphyra on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:16AM (#43300001)
You set the temperature and the hvac adjusts the fan speed and turns on the air conditioner or heating as needed.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by cpursley on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:28AM (#43300096)
Ah, so just as terrible as auto mode home thermostats. I miss the days of simple rotary dials where you twist to the temp you want right now then forget.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by cwalv on Saturday March 08, 2025 @07:13PM (#43304847)
Setting the desired temp is 'auto mode'
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by AngryData on Saturday March 08, 2025 @09:28AM (#43300505)
That is one of my most hated features of modern cars. People don't feel hot or cold based just on ambient temperature, and everything with auto controls makes "blow hot air" far more complicated than just turning a knob.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by dzhiurgis on Saturday March 08, 2025 @03:04PM (#43303045)
No it doesn’t. Flick your finger and it’s colder. Stop your narrative…

I do need to control it depending if it’s sunny or cloudy. Otherwise it is perfect.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by AngryData on Saturday March 08, 2025 @04:54PM (#43303895)
It hasn't been that easy in any car ive used. Maybe yours is different, but it is far from average.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:49AM (#43306859)
Mine bottoms out at 65, but sometimes I'm hot and want it colder than whatever it thinks 65 is. It's pretty frustrating. Then it turns on the recirculate, which is not what I wanted. I don't understand why. Maybe the manual says
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by consp on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:34AM (#43307032)
It turns on recirculation since you want it cold. There is only so much cooling the airco pump can do and pushing in hot outside air does not cool it further. If you want it cold it needs to get cooler air to do so and that is the air previously cooled. What you want is a bigger heat exchanger and pump. Invest in that if you want cooler air.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by kube-system on Saturday March 08, 2025 @11:09PM (#43306127)
Modern cars? My Honda did this in the 90s. It's a thermostat. The technology has existed for over a century.

> People don't feel hot or cold based just on ambient temperature

This is well known, and it is why sun-load sensors have been commonplace in cars for decades.

Automotive engineering is quite mature.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by rad_gruchalski on Saturday March 08, 2025 @06:18PM (#43304507)
Because some of us live in a climate where we have 0 Celsius in the morning and 20 Celsius at 2pm.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by stavros on Saturday March 08, 2025 @06:55PM (#43304729)
It doesn't matter, auto mode does the right thing. My BYD Seal has the same, and it's actually pretty good. I can't say it's perfect, sometimes it'll blow cold air when the car is hot but I'm not that hot, but I've never really had to touch it beyond setting it to 21 C when I got the car.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by rad_gruchalski on Saturday March 08, 2025 @07:47PM (#43305045)
It's good it works for you. But it certainly does matter, and no, it doesn't always work. Like with anything on the internet, though: my experience vs your experience.

Never got in the car having one layer too many and having to turn down the temp? Never got in the car with not enough layers on just to realise 10 minutes into the drive that it’s a bit chilly? Is your preferred temperature the same as the one of you passenger? Or you get in the car from a massive rail and you beed to blast that aircon and bump the temp to deal with humidity completely obstructing the windshield?

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday March 08, 2025 @10:23PM (#43305884)
If your car has crappy thermostat control, then how does that universally apply to other cars?

My thermostat just works. I don’t live in an extreme climate, so layering isn’t a thing. The car has a button specifically for defogging your windshield, so that is treated separately from climate control. You can hit max if you want drastic temperature change, but it’s a heat pump so thermostat is the only way to go really.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by rad_gruchalski on Saturday March 08, 2025 @10:30PM (#43305915)
> I don’t live in an extreme climate, so layering isn’t a thing.

See, you don’t. It’s okay.

“It barely ever rains in California. I don’t understand why we need wipers. And when it rains once in 10 years, I can stop… I don’t understand why everyone cannot just stop. Why do we spend money on those little engines and wipers.”

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by stavros on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:42AM (#43307061)
Yeah but there are buttons for those things. My point was that the external temperature doesn't matter, not that your circumstances don't.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by seb1204 on Saturday March 08, 2025 @09:02PM (#43305478)
Yes, so in the morning the auto will heat your windows, turn on your seat and steering wheel heating and make it warm to your set temperature, then dial it down to keep the temp. When warmed it will cool as needed. This is not new or Tesla specific.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by rad_gruchalski on Saturday March 08, 2025 @10:38PM (#43305960)
And maybe it will work. Thanks! But maybe, you know, sometimes I just want to knock it off a notch while driving. I must be so complicated… why would I want to regulate temperature manually. Or change some other obscure setting a genius from California never considered to be useful because “it works in my climate”.

By the way… there’s nothing preventing auto aircon and having a manual dial to change the setting rather than through a touchscreen. It safer. You know, in case if you have to. Which you don’t have to, apparently. That’s cool.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by danielscrubs on Sunday March 09, 2025 @07:19AM (#43308058)
Because sometimes you have a down jacket on and sometimes a t-shirt depending on the wildly changing weather.

I think some people would do well travelling a tid bit more.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by neogodless on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:20AM (#43300040)
The car knows better than you what you want your climate settings to be.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by seb1204 on Saturday March 08, 2025 @09:00PM (#43305461)
AC auto mode is not a Tesla special thing. Most car AC have had this setting or button for many years. E.g. a 2011 Ford Territory has it.

The AC auto button takes the needed action to get to the temperature you set. In On Tesla this was mostly set and forget.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by amluto on Saturday March 08, 2025 @11:04PM (#43306095)
Lexus has had this since 1991 or earlier. Except Lexus also had actual dedicated buttons, because sometimes you want to tweak it (due to sunlight or whatever clothing you were wearing or your mood).
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by Hamuko on Saturday March 08, 2025 @07:16PM (#43304868)
>You never need to touch the AC controls when driving thanks to auto mode.

Does it also do seat heating/cooling automatically?

>In the worst case you can use voice control, which you can again trigger from a physical control.

Does it understand my accent or do I need to learn to talk like an American?

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by seb1204 on Saturday March 08, 2025 @08:58PM (#43305451)
Yes, you can control the seat heating from the voice control. If you have seat heating on, on a regular basis the car profile also remembers.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by Hamuko on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:27AM (#43307010)
That is definitely not what I asked.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by porphyra on Monday March 10, 2025 @05:15AM (#43318395)
Yea there is auto mode for seat heating and cooling.
Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by andrewaylett on Sunday March 09, 2025 @09:31AM (#43308945)
Go for "rarely" and I'll agree, but the number of people who don't understand how thermostats work and adjust the temperature to overshoot is really annoying :(.

I have physical buttons for changing the temperature, driver's side and passenger's side, and they don't get used even one in three times we get into the car -- but I'm still glad for the physical controls.

Re:Volkswagen reintroducing physical controls for vital func... by lobsterthief on Monday March 17, 2025 @07:43AM (#43387433)
On my Subaru the “full auto” HVAC mode automatically switches it to outside air. So I never use it, because I inhale more exhaust and pollen. Pretty bad design for an otherwise well-designed car.