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Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by mikrl on Friday March 07, 2025 @03:41PM (#43294361)
Starship Troopers is the darling du jour online for this phenomenon.

A movie lampooning militarism, xenophobia and… armoured supersoldiers grinding through bugs and taking their resources? Sounds cool.

Compare to games like Factorio and Helldivers 2. About 1% of the time I think “wait, am I the baddie?” and the rest is just raining down technologically enhanced Armageddon to further my mineral stockpiles.

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by worik on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:16PM (#43294768)
Starship Troupers, the book, was explicitly pro war.
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by astrange on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:23PM (#43294861)
The movie is not really based on the book. It's supposedly a parody of it, but the director literally did not read the book, so it's actually a parody of what he assumed it was about.

(eg "service guarantees citizenship" is presented as a fascist idea the movie is parodying, but IIRC in the book you could get it by being a mailman.)

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by crooked-v on Friday March 07, 2025 @05:02PM (#43295249)
> but IIRC in the book you could get it by being a mailman

No, it's explicitly noted in the book that the civil service options are supposed to be at least as unpleasant as being a soldier - even if that means inventing useless make-work for someone unable to perform other duties. The explicit example given is that a blind man with only a single functioning limb might be given the duty of counting hairs on caterpillars by touch on a cold moon base for his full tour of service.

Of course, that's leaving aside the basic problem that the idea only works in an idealized abstract state where nobody in the basically unaccountable government ever indulges in even a little bit of nepotism when it comes to who gets picked for or promoted out of certain kinds of drudge work.

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by etc-hosts on Friday March 07, 2025 @06:43PM (#43296041)
Whoever wrote the screenplay or script for the movie definitely read the book.

Several Starship Troopers movie scenes are lifted directly from the book, almost word for word.

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by astrange on Friday March 07, 2025 @07:08PM (#43296194)
The scriptwriter did. I think the director had him write chapter outlines of it.
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by barrkel on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:50PM (#43295129)
It's less a parody of what the book was about and more a parody of Nazi Germany - and showing what great fun and how exciting war is to the kids.
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by lll-o-lll on Friday March 07, 2025 @06:23PM (#43295920)
It’s a send up and mockery of American culture around their military. It is parody, quite mean parody (as is typical of Verhoeven), and it wasn’t well received at the time (in the US).

As an Australian, I laughed heartily, and considered it just deserts for that Simpsons episode. ;-)

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by etc-hosts on Friday March 07, 2025 @06:41PM (#43296024)
The movie is a commentary on the seductiveness of Fascism.

Verhoeven is something of an expert on this, since he grew up in The Hague during Nazi occupation.

There's an interview out there where he says when he making the film he was wondering if his movie was in-your-face enough about Nazis, to really make sure his movie wasn't too subtle or that people would miss the point he had the former Doogie Howser actor wear a SS officer's trenchcoat.

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by euroderf on Saturday March 08, 2025 @05:05AM (#43298943)
If only he had embedded a short parody of Triumph of the Will, a decidedly seductive film IMO (YMMV).
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by funny_falcon on Saturday March 08, 2025 @12:42AM (#43297792)
I believe, it was pro-military, but not pro-war. The book idealizes the state and social system, and uses war only as a backdrop.
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by sbochins on Saturday March 08, 2025 @01:38PM (#43302355)
It was actually pro-facism. This isn’t the first time a movie was based on a book, where the movie was a dark comedy, by simply representing the argument in the book. Similar thing happened with Dr Strangelove, which was based on some crummy Cold War book.
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by ReptileMan on Friday March 07, 2025 @05:57PM (#43295713)
I really hate Verhoeven about what he did to the book.
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by croes on Friday March 07, 2025 @09:42PM (#43297039)
But the movie is still good
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by rurban on Saturday March 08, 2025 @02:05AM (#43298159)
I really love what Verhoeven did to the book. A timeless masterpiece
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by dmoy on Friday March 07, 2025 @06:24PM (#43295926)
> Compare to games like Factorio and Helldivers 2. About 1% of the time I think “wait, am I the baddie?

I was really confused there for a second, before I remembered that there are native bug monsters in Factorio. I always play with the monsters disabled so the planet is empty.

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by qmmmur on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:21PM (#43297204)
It is 100% critiquing all of the a above? How have media studies failed this badly...
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by simpaticoder on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:30PM (#43297245)
A thing can be meant as one thing and taken as another. Warhammer 40k is one of those things. Any fantasy historical show is also an example. We are attracted to illiberal settings and situations; which makes sense since much of human civilization was ordered as such (and wiped out the rest the first chance it got). Liberalism requires a great deal of self-restraint, because illiberalism seems to be the psychological default.
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by toyg on Saturday March 08, 2025 @02:50AM (#43298380)
> illiberalism seems to be the psychological default

Because apes are not liberal, of course.

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by 9dev on Saturday March 08, 2025 @03:28AM (#43298559)
They are not. An ape is always part of a tribe and has a role to play. Not even the alpha animals are secure, since they need to defend their position; females will, if a conquering tribe takes over, be raped by the winning males. What exactly would you call liberal about that?
Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by mikrl on Saturday March 08, 2025 @03:39PM (#43303315)
Neither was Hobbes, but the ‘nasty, brutish and short’[1] state of nature is not something we should aspire to.

Ironically, the chaos of liberal democracy might be the greatest stabilizing force our species has ever known. Even the Pax Romana the ancient Chinese bureaucracy, and the European empires fell apart for one reason or another.

Let’s hope liberal democracy has many more miles left in the tank.

[1] https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nasty-brutish-and-short....

Re:Europe's most wanted man plotted my murder and that of my... by ThrowawayTestr on Saturday March 08, 2025 @12:55AM (#43297846)
Democracy is non-negotiable