I also spot "That’s the website, you can’t scroll further." in large, helpful letters. These people seem to have a pretty solid sense of humour. Mild enough it is difficult to take offence to, playful enough to add character.

Hope they do well; I dislike closed source chat programs.

Rather than open or closed source programs, let's have interoperability. Then everyone can choose. I believe Facebook was aiming for something like that with Threads, and was playing to have WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger be open to a specific standard as well?

I fondly remember the days of Pidgin and Adium..

> I fondly remember the days of Pidgin and Adium..

You may like https://www.beeper.com/

And if you are nerd/privacy conscious enough, though their app and cloud service is proprietary, it’s based on Matrix and open source bridges which you can have a full list here : https://github.com/beeper

The push for messenger interoperability is a reaction to the EUs Digital Markets Act (DMA), which requires certain gatekeeper services to allow interoperability with smaller platforms.

Threads is working on implementing ActivityPub for interoperability with other platforms that already use it. ActivityPub is an open standard for implementing the Fediverse, a group of federated social platforms heavily based in the open source community.

Nope, Matrix has been pushing interop for years (since the late teens).

Not like it's new, though? The Internet is literally interoperating networks, emails hop from server to server until they reach the user-specified destination server, DNS delegates zones to other servers. These are protocols older than I am, and I've had a driver's license for longer than Matrix exists. Their push is amazing but not by any means unique

This is literally the old Microsoft playbook for destroying open source software. “Embrace, extend, extinguish”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

They did it with XMPP and Windows live messenger in the 2000s.

At the end of the day these companies have no incentive to be responsible stewards of open protocols. The moment they have a tough quarter they’ll eviscerate it if it means they’ll make a buck.

MS Comic Chat was built on top of IRC.

I’m happy IRC is still around in spite of that.

> let's have interoperability.

Should be mandatory. Things like facebook took off because of network effects not because of the quality of the platform. Being able to migrate all your contacts/ chat/ tweets/ etc somewhere else seemlessly should be enforced by the gov to allow for actual competition. else you end up with first player advantage and network effects being unsurmountable and creating de facto monopolies with 0 benefit for the customer, in an environment that has low set up costs and you should see fierce competition.

Proprietary services are interoperable in the beginning and then stop.

Both facebook and google supported XMPP but that's no longer the case. Slack supported XMPP and IRC, but that's no longer the case.

It's completely pointless to expect proprietary stuff to be interoperable. It requires constant reverse engineering and remember that they have money to throw away to hire developers to make breaking changes to the protocol constantly.

Facebook never federated so their implementation was just an API they couldn't control to them:

> Facebook Messages are evolving to allow people to share rich content beyond text: photos, videos, audio and even stickers. We want to ensure the best possible send and receive experience where all these rich forms of content are reliably and consistently available on every platform. XMPP doesn't support all these (and future) content types, and it's difficult to ensure an XMPP client is rendering them appropriately. As such we've decided to sunset the XMPP Chat API.

> XMPP doesn't support all these (and future) content types, and it's difficult to ensure an XMPP client is rendering them appropriately. As such we've decided to sunset the XMPP Chat API.

This is such a lame excuse, and reveals how much they're control freaks. One of the main points of an open, federated protocol is that people can choose clients that behave the way they want and render things the way they want. "Oooohhh, we can't guarantee with an iron fist that our stupid 'stickers' render correctly on all clients, therefore we can't deal with it!"

This same mentality infests the web, and is why companies insist on slathering JavaScript into everything to force browsers to render their pages exactly as designed, rather than just letting the user agent serve the user's needs.

One of the highest confidence outcomes I predict from LLM use in software dev is more use of open protocols. It is going to become difficult to maintain a network if you don't use them.

XMPP isn't dead either. Here's an open source project of an XMPP based Slack - https://prose.org/ (I have no association to this, was amazed how much digging it took me looking for Slack/Discord alternatives to find it.)

The most damage to open communications software probably came from the closed mobile app stores. The barrier to maintaining a working app simultaneously on iOS and Android is high. Almost every iOS game I bought 10 years ago is inaccessible and no longer downloadable. Those barriers are in the process of being torn down too, with or without AI's help.

I feel like that was Discord's style also, being playful, fun, childish. Maybe they're just imitating that appeal?

Since US English retains more historical features of English and has fewer of the newer ones (especially in light of Received Pronunciation, rhoticity, and random u insertion), one could argue that US English is the more traditional one.

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20180207-how-americans-p...

I live in a region of the UK where rhoticity is alive and well. It actually means I've an easier time understanding some words when Americans speak them, compared to the English.

On the broader point I'd agree up until I notice that you'd write 'defense' yet also 'fence', and ponder why the verb 'got' is so overused.

I'll just say that I sometimes use defense because the Firefox spellchecker seems to prefer UK spellings even when US English is set in the language settings and the red squiggly lines bother me.

Sssh, you weren’t meant to notice! We have a man on the inside.

Isn't that a myth?

Wonder where that idea even came from, the BBC article even says as such "“It is a delightful and attractive myth that Shakespeare’s language got fossilised” in parts of the US, [the dialect anthropologist] says."

I mean; we have old runic languages that match northern English pronunciation really well- along with "olde english" spelling which is clearly a rote writing of a southern English accent (likely from somewhere like Gloucestershire).

An attractive myth, perhaps, but I'm not sure how much truth there really is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/bofu3g/how_did_ame...

> even if Americans do speak more like the Elizabethan English than today’s Brits themselves

I get the sense that the article very much believes Americans speak more traditional English.

You know it's way more traditional because they democratically pushed themselves into an oligarchy ;)

Sounds pretty European to me, honestly.

The article you linked says it's a myth.

An old joke, but a good one.

Shoutouts to Noah Webster for "opinionatedly curating" British English from an inconsistent crufty unspellable mess to a randomly tweaked version of the same thing.

Yep, simplified by removing all those silly extraneous ‘u’s

Other way around. The British wanted to differentiate themselves from colonial hillbillies so they tried to assume the appearance of culture by making the words look more French.

they might have to update their translation to (limited) soon based on how the current admin is blitzkriegeering

u wot mate

u havin a laff?

ight m8 shank u bruv

you taking the piss innit?

How to quickly lose a few potential users.

Other people might say it's a great way to self-moderate its network.

Can't handle "locker-room banter"?

You won't be missed.

It's not a loss.

With emphasis on few. I'd wager less than 0.01% of potential users would be butthurt enough by that joke to avoid the platform as a whole. And the ones who got butthurt, probably better off not having them on the platform in the first place.

Fragile egos that can't take such a innocuous joke are not really a loss in the overall scheme of things though.

It seems strange that someone would be offended by the US variant being called "simplified" spelling — wasn't that the whole point?

Maybe they meant people who don't want to be considered traditional...

I’m an American and not offended in the least. It is simplified (color vs the obviously incorrect UK variant colour). Gray va grey. y’all is a great addition to the Simplified English.

Despite being told long ago by a drunk English visiting student that “the language is English not American” I’ll stand by our American simplification! Lamentably this simplification seems to be backtracking our political system…but hey we’re going from Discord to Revolt!

> It is simplified

Still waiting for American Football to be renamed to Handegg.

It's open source.

lol, or how to easily filter out a few users who can't take a joke.

Ones that are offended by a lighthearted joke. Sounds like a plus

How to quickly show you have no sense of humor.