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Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by roger_ on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @08:15AM (#43266004)
Did Slashdot really kill itself or was it just never ambitious enough to seek a broader base or try to foster communities?

I don’t recall any user hostile practices, though I was just a passive user back in the day. I remember a few redesigns that people weren’t entirely pleased with, but nothing on the scale of the “new” Digg.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by hoistbypetard on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @08:51AM (#43266349)
I think it's more that second thing than the first one. I joined slashdot in the late 90s, and though some of the OSDN stuff briefly sniffed at enshittification, they didn't really ever take that plunge.

IMO, people who liked the user generated aspect of slashdot also liked the higher velocity of digg, reddit, and even HN better as those came along. People who liked the editorial curation angle that distinguished slashdot from these newer takes came to prefer more curation and professional editorial commentary, leaving slashdot in an odd in-between space.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by jghn on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:08AM (#43268467)
This is an interesting point.

I was a heavy USENET user for several years before finding Slashdot. With /. I found myself rarely going to the source link and almost never reading the editorial commentary. I'd go straight to the comments and start reading what people had to say. All these decades later and what I love about sites like HN and Reddit is immediately wading in and embracing the zeitgeist. I *loved* Twitter for a long time for the same reason.

But you're right. There are others I knew who were the exact opposite. And those people today have very different internet habits than I do.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by antod on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @06:16PM (#43274109)
With slashdot I wouldn't RTFA (hadn't used that term for ages) until after reading some or most of the comments to give me an idea of whether or not it was going to be worth it.

And often any comment I made was in relation to the ongoing discussion and not necessarily the article itself.

I still do that here and elsewhere too.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by mingus88 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @08:47PM (#43275303)
I’m really trying to pull back from that habit because I simply can’t tell what is legit discourse anymore

In my golden era of message boards the worst you had to deal with were trolls or bad actors but today you simply don’t know who is an LLM bot

What’s the point in reading or replying to machines. It’s like a sand trap just wasting your time in the worst possible way

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by emacsen on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @10:19AM (#43267692)
My read on Slashdot was that we need to separate out the folks who built the site from those who run it.

The original authors executed an exit strategy. They sold the site, got a bunch of money, and left to work on new things.

The various new owners (of which there have been a few) have never been ambitious about expanding Slashdot, either in technical or social scope.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by bombcar on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @10:21AM (#43267717)
I think Slashdot died when Cmdrtaco sold out, not for any real nefarious reason, but simply that it was no longer "a list of things Cmdrtaco was interested in" but had spread so wide that it was more of a mish-mash. Early on it was nice, because if you liked the things Cmdrtaco was interested in, you'd like almost every post (even if you got mad at it). Once it was wide, it was harder to follow.

Digg had a similar issue, but was more "active" for awhile. Reddit really "solved" the problem by having subreddits so you could curate what you were interested in.

Also, the people who were using /. grew up, and there wasn't really replacement people.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by ta1243 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:05AM (#43268428)
> Also, the people who were using /. grew up, and there wasn't really replacement people.

This is a big thing. The internet users of the late 90s just don't exist any more. The internet isn't for nerds any more, it's as ubiquitous an infrastructure as electricity or roads, everyone uses it.

The generation before slashdot from the 80s upto Eternal September were another group

You can't recreate slashdot today, because the people don't exist.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by munificent on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @01:43PM (#43270521)
> The internet users of the late 90s just don't exist any more.

We still exist, we're just a very small slice of a much larger pie. Also, we are likely a less profitable target for advertisers so aren't an important demographic for ad-driven companies.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by bombcar on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @03:26PM (#43271846)
I take it more to mean "people who have to be technically inclined to a degree to get online in the 90s" don't really exist as a category that is self-selecting.

The other thing you mention is huge, too, of course. All the "famous" things from the 90s were basically labours of love by individual hackers who then looked for ways to fund it. Now everything is all about ad-revenue dollars.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by ta1243 on Thursday March 06, 2025 @02:44AM (#43277528)
If you're in the 15-25 nerdy computer demographic that waxes lyrical about the latest window mangaer, you are likely to be going into an insanely high paid job for a major corporation. The computer thing you are nerdy about is normal, you're more like a car or football nerd now - being in depth in a common subject
Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by munificent on Thursday March 06, 2025 @10:02AM (#43281015)
GenX-ers and Millenials who have been in tech a long time are likely doing OK financially, but are also likely at the age where they have kids which eat up a huge fraction of their disposable income.

Historically, advertisers have really loved late teens and early 20-somethings. They're starting to earn money, but don't have a lot of obligations or expenses yet, so they have a lot of discretionary income.

I also disagree that being into computers is a "common subject" these days. Everyone uses computers (some of which have keyboards), but most people aren't "into" them any more than the average commuter is into cars.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by ta1243 on Thursday March 06, 2025 @11:02AM (#43281710)
Which is just what I said.

Everyone uses computers, so computer nerds are like car nerds or sport nerds.

In the 90s very few people used computers, and even fewer used networked computers outside of an office environment. Computers were new and unique.

You still get car nerds and computer nerds, but it's not the same thing when they're nerdy about a common thing.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by munificent on Thursday March 06, 2025 @05:35PM (#43285727)
Ah, I get your point now. Thanks for clarifying.
Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by codpiece on Thursday March 06, 2025 @10:35PM (#43287205)
I sure wish we still did.
Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by ksec on Friday March 07, 2025 @04:31AM (#43288618)
>The internet isn't for nerds any more

That! Hit me hard. May be perhaps why the internet felt so different. Sigh.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @03:00PM (#43271544)
Also how many times can we talk about the Enlightenment window manager?
Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by serviceberry on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @11:18AM (#43268607)
> Did Slashdot really kill itself or was it just never ambitious enough to seek a broader base or try to foster communities?

It's still around, but there's one simple DAU measure we can look at: it used to be that stories would get 100-500 comments, and now they usually get 5-30.

But I don't think it's a good example of what the parent is complaining about. Slashdot didn't change to be more hostile, it was fairly hostile from the get go. It had a snarky commenting culture, fairly brutal moderation, etc. You'd be downvoted into oblivion for the most minor transgressions - like not hating Microsoft enough.

It just happened to be the only game in town for geek news. But then, a number of alternatives popped up - tech-related subreddits, HN, etc. I stopped using Slashdot not because of any redesign or policy change, but simply because I could get the same news elsewhere, with a lower entry bar to participate.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by chairmansteve on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @01:33PM (#43270416)
They sold to Conde Nast or something.
Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @03:40PM (#43272048)
I think Slashdot's problem was that the moderation there wasn't powerful enough. The percentage of trolls reached a certain point, and then some fraction of non-troll users got disgusted enough to leave, so the percentage of trolls was now higher, and more non-troll users got disgusted and left...

That vicious circle destroyed the community. IMHO.

Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by mixmastamyk on Thursday March 06, 2025 @12:17PM (#43282630)
To this day, it rarely to never gives me the chance to moderate, even with excellent karma. That’s its biggest flaw imho, and a major reason why I rarely visit.
Re:The Return of Digg, a Star of an Earlier Internet Era by spauldo on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @08:34PM (#43275201)
I think a lot of the problem with Slashdot was cultural change. When it was new, most of the readership was made up of IT professionals and programmers. Sure, there were trolls but most of the comments were kind of like what you see on HN.

Over time, the civility and intelligence in the comments dropped. It didn't feel like a community anymore - or at least a community the original readers wanted to be a part of, anyway. So more and more of the original readers left until the comment sections looked like 4chan.

Slashdot had its scandals and drama, but I really believe it was the readership change that killed it.