You don't make examples of people.

You treat them equally by the law.

You do not put people in solitary confinement for nine days - or twenty days - and without giving them any idea of what is happening, or notifying anyone where they are. This is cruel and unusual punishment.

> This is cruel and unusual punishment.

Welcome to the experience of any immigrant from a non-Western country.

We face similar kinds of experiences all over the western world, but when it's a white chick y'all lose your shit.

I grew up with an even worse passport than you, so I know first hand how people are treated.

Still, the goal should be to treat everyone better, not make things equal by treating everyone like shit.

You would think that being the subject of such awful treatment would have instilled some empathy in you. Instead, it seems to have turned you into an awful, vindictive human being. Please seek professional help to deal with your trauma.

Because EU nations aren't going to change their attitude, and would continue to treat non-western passport holders in the same way as her.

Maybe now Germans know how it feels for a Turkish or Moroccan national who is working on a visit or family visa and looking behind their shoulder.

We have known a long time already. This was under the Biden administration:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/08/australian-t...

You will be happy to know that the detained person was a White Australian. By the way, whenever I see pictures of US border patrol officers, many of them are not White.

> He had been warned about the need to prove his plan to exit the US, but was unaware of the rule that requires those entering on the waiver to have booked either a return flight or onward travel to a country that does not border the US.

Are you kidding me? Even I know about this.

Jesus you Firangis are so entitled, and don't know how to do visa research.

> You will be happy to know that the detained person was a White Australian

Absolutely, now Bogan Barry knows how it feels on Nauru or Christmas Island.

I'm a Brown American, but after this election and others across western nations, I've come to realize you Firangis won't come to help us. You only speak out when it's one of you guys facing this kind of dehumanization, not us.

I'm sure you have legitimate reasons to be frustrated, and have been describing things that really happen and double standards that really exist.

At the same time, perpetuating race war on HN, which is what your comments in this thread are doing, is not ok. It only makes things worse, so please stop and please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

p.s. The people breaking the site guidelines in response to you ought not to have been doing that either, of course. I've responded to those now, or at least most of them.

Please don't cross into personal attack, no matter how bad another comment is or you feel it is. That only makes everything worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It is astonishing that your response to people facing injustice is that more people should face injustice.

No, he's just pointing out the double standards, and I agree with this sentiment. It's very difficult to visit the US (or really any Western country) with my passport, and always has been. You have to put in a lot of money and collect many pieces of paper for even a tourist visit (forget about working there or — god forbid — trying to legally immigrate), and there's a large chance you will be denied regardless. Nobody gives a flying fuck about this.

The outrage here is that she was detained. One thing is to be denied entry even when you did everything right, another is to be detained for an indefinite period of time.

Yep. Becuase I'm tired of this holier than thou crap.

It's very easy to follow visa laws as a German national to the US. You don't face any of the same amounts of hurdles that non-Western nationals face.

And your countries would treat us the same if we didn't have a US passport (I remember those experiences in Frankfurt Airport before and after I got the American passport)

if you think that holding someone in solitary confinement plus another month in jail is a valid response for her case, i think you are a bad person.

i’m sorry that german border control treated you badly, but that woman did nothing wrong to you.

The thing is, in Europe, precisely in European Union, people can travel and work freely with minimum formalities across all 28 EU countries and in Norway. It's easy for European citizen (and the person in question was from Germany which is an EU member) to forget that some countries are still that deeply not civilized.

Notwithstanding that, the person should just be deported immediately, but instead was detained for multiple weeks. Is it how it supposed to be dealing with visitors?

Is America great again already?

As I mentioned before, your EU countries treat non-Western nationals like me in a similarly degrading manner. So I absolutely am getting shachenfreude.

Why give this German chick a pass when your governments do the same (or pay the Turks, Libyans, and Moroccans to do your dirty work)?

> shachenfreude

You might want to look up big words before using them.

Because the EU does not treat US citizens in this way and on average it is far more unlikely that a German wants to be an illegal immigrant in the US. It is not hard to understand.

You know how Germany treats refugees? They let them stab 2 year old children and hide their identity in the press so as not to offend them.

And it's people like you who make me happen a German is treated like this.

> You know how Germany treats refugees? They let them stab 2 year old children and hide their identity in the press so as not to offend them

I'm a Brown American, so this only reduces my sympathy for someone like the person in the article.

Don't get me started on how non-Western nationals treat EU countries and citizens.

"still that deeply not civilized."

All countries, including EU countries put restriction on foreigners coming for work and require specific visas. And rightly so.

Not sure how to interpret your quip...

As an immigrant myself, I think it is cruel and inhumane to hold someone in detention indefinitely for unspecified accusations.

I think it is cruel to wish this upon others like you have done.

> Before I got my US passport, the German immigration staff would always treat me like shit, but with the US passport, I'd make sure to flaunt it so I'm not treated like yet another South Asian or Middle Eastern national.

Given the behavior of the current administration, I fear soon you will be back to be treated the old way even with US passport.

And if it comes to that I'll leave for my ancestral country or for a Gulf State at a G42 or Khazna type organization.

I think in a perfect and just universe, the most fitting end for this post would be for it to be perfectly preserved, with your actual name, in perpetuity, in the worlds most popular and enduring history textbook. Imagine your children's grandchildren reading this sublime example of the casual banal brutality of our time, even among regular everyday people.

I sincerely hope for that future for you, and for all of us.

Absolutely.

I would yell this from the rooftops loud and proud if I was running for office in the Bay Area as a D (because I worked with them early in my career and am a party member).

Most 1st and 1.5gen Asian and Latiné Americans would agree with this statement I gave.

I agree that a month was far too long and she should have been sent back much sooner. But, she 100% intended to violate her visa and I simply can't imagine calling a criminal being imprisoned for 1 month before being sent home, "brutality".