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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @01:56PM (#42869441)
The only parts of the world pivoting towards China are the despotic countries seeking to overthrow democracy and liberalism.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by AdeptusAquinas on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:04PM (#42869556)
No the US isn't pivoting towards China so far
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:19PM (#42869772)
Well the US is a liberal democracy...
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Tostino on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:03PM (#42870386)
Sure we are buddy, keep telling yourself that.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dang on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:17AM (#42875396)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by FooBarWidget on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:43PM (#42870123)
The US is a plutocracy pretending to be a liberal democracy.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by lukev on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:14PM (#42871927)
Rapidly doing a lot less of the pretending.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dang on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:16AM (#42875393)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by FooBarWidget on Thursday January 30, 2025 @03:45AM (#42876093)
All right.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by alecco on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:12PM (#42869676)
What about Brazil.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Vox_Leone on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:52PM (#42870235)
Brazil's technological environment is stagnant and apathetic. And it has been that way since the tragic explosion that claimed the country's space program. It seems that all of the country's technological activities have suffered the blow. It is possible that now it will finally be able to manufacture its national tier 3 AI, using the outputs of DeepSeek.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:14PM (#42869702)
They've got a socialist convict president...

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4835388-brazil-pre...

Lula is no friend of democracy.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by Spivak on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @02:34PM (#42869999)
Not a single American can say shit given what's going on at home.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:16PM (#42870563)
What's happening at home? From a foreigner's (Canadian) perspective, Trump's not doing anything crazy but the media is going crazy...

Our Prime Minister has multiple scandals worse than anything Trump has done so far... From groping a reporter to multiple instances of blackface to firing the attorney general because she investigated a company who gave bribes to Moammar Gaddafi to nearly a billion dollars going to a 2 person software consulting firm to fake charities giving him and his family members millions of dollars and much more. Yet somehow we're held up as an example of democracy and the US, which defends democracy all over the world somehow isn't...

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by kelnos on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:31PM (#42870752)
Not sure what you mean; the things you list that your PM has done seems like just another day at the office for Trump.

Trump has already done quite a few crazy things since his inauguration. And I'm judging that by what I'm hearing from people who are directly affected by his actions, not by what I'm hearing from the media.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by germandiago on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @10:56PM (#42874669)
> the things you list that your PM has done seems like just another day at the office for Trump

Yet you did not mention one single thing. The thread to which you replied did.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by cdelsolar on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:52PM (#42871014)
it's not crazy to suspend all federal grants, get us out of the Paris accord when the world is rapidly heating up, try to put RFK Jr, a vaccine denier, in charge of our health, rename the goddamn Gulf of Mexico, unconstitutionally order that people born on American soil are not necessarily Americans anymore, which has been the case for at least 150 years, withdraw from the WHO, launch hourly raids to deport people, many of whom are actually American citizens?
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @05:24PM (#42872051)
> suspend all federal grants

Not really.

> get us out of the Paris accord when the world is rapidly heating up

Is anyone on pace to meet those targets? Canada isn't.

> try to put RFK Jr, a vaccine denier, in charge of our health,

Our health minister is a random politician who took poly sci and history...

> rename the goddamn Gulf of Mexico

Things get renamed all the time... It's not crazy.

> people born on American soil are not necessarily Americans anymore

Jus soli is the exception in the world and in history. For example, every European country has jus sanguinis...

> launch hourly raids to deport people

Enforcing laws is the normal state of affairs in the world...

> many of whom are actually American citizens?

I doubt this one, got any proof?

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by worik on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:09PM (#42872528)
Be a bit careful of "whataboutism". It is a cognitive fallacy

Canada's civil society collapsing does not mean that the USA's civil society is not. Perhaps they both are?

I think that the social fabric in both countries can take the punishment for a decade or two. It will be some time before they collapse.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:01PM (#42873052)
This isn't whataboutism, it's some perspective that what's happening in America is merely reverting back to what's normal in liberal western democracies and thus not "crazy".

The only thing I find crazy about the US right now is the media reaction.

Defending borders? Jus sanguinis? Only 2 genders? Cutting spending? Tariffs? Literally so normal it's boring.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by ulbu on Thursday January 30, 2025 @12:55AM (#42875295)
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Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dang on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:18AM (#42875404)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by ulbu on Thursday January 30, 2025 @06:17AM (#42876774)
Unsubstantive, sure, I agree, but I don’t see how expressing a sentiment of disbelief and suspicion of trolling (or however it may be called) this way is “flamebait”.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dang on Friday January 31, 2025 @02:06AM (#42885302)
Posting "is this satire" is an internet trope, a way of snarkily putting down what someone else said. In that way, it's a provocation and in that way flamebait.

If that explanation doesn't land, there are other site guidelines which maybe make the point more directly, such as "Don't be snarky", "Edit out swipes", and/or "Omit internet tropes".

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by ulbu on Friday January 31, 2025 @05:35AM (#42886427)
i see, thank you for clarifying
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by rishav_sharan on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:29PM (#42874862)
> Is anyone on pace to meet those targets? Canada isn't.

India, one of the poorest countries by per capita GDP met its target before deadline. Better than looking at others, US need to ensure that it meets its own targets. Because its the sole super power and at an international level without US leading sustainability, there is no hope for the rest of us.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by germandiago on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @11:01PM (#42874703)
> when the world is rapidly heating up

I think it would do no harm to know that the Earth had a glaciar era (at least, I am not sure it was more than one), 10 times more carbon dioxide than now at some point and that weather always changed in history. All without humans being involved. Do not take as facts the propaganda of "it is humans and only humans who are making the temperature change".

If I am not wrong the greenhouse gas for carbon dioxide is a small percentage (I do not remember if it was 3%, from which only a fraction is generated by humans). The water vapor (which is a greenhouse gas also) accounts for like 90% or more, by the effect of the sun in the water, and noone talks about this in the media. Also, the most catastrophic models are usually chosen instead of other alternative models.

There are also multiple reports of how data was deliberately hidden or manipulated: https://www.libertaddigital.com/ciencia/que-es-el-watergate-... (in spanish, some evidence of manipulation about the climate change, which was conveniently renamed from "Global warming" at some point, bc in the last 20 years there has been no such "global warming"). I think there was a record in the mass of ice registered in Antartica in year 2017 if I am not wrong...

Smells really bad all this story at this point, to be honest.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by nateglims on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:50PM (#42871671)
Trump is doing things that violate some of the guardrails of the US system. For example, refusing to disburse funds allocated by the legislature. These separations are less of a barrier in parliments. At least in the westminster system. These boundaries have been redrawn before: the federal bureaucracy was basically invented between the 30s and the 60s and SCOTUS's role as we know it was established in the early 1800s.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by intalentive on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:12PM (#42870519)
"Democracy and liberalism" increasingly means canceling elections (Romania), freezing bank accounts (Canada), jailing people for speech (UK), killing thousands of children (Israel), kidnapping CEOs (France), banning foreign market competition (USA), blowing up pipelines, seizing assets, erecting a vast surveillance state, etc, etc.

"Democracy and liberalism" are merely shorthand for a neofeudal rent-seeking oligarchy that disguises itself with parliamentary forms. As Huxley predicted in 1958:

>the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms -- elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest -- will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitari­anism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slo­gans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial -- but democracy and free­dom in a strictly Pickwickian sense. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of sol­diers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.

Meanwhile our ruling class has completely exhausted its moral authority and delegitimized its own political formula: of popular sovereignty, rules-based order, human rights, and so on. The mask is off and no one can take these sacred oaths seriously any more.

THAT is why the world is pivoting to China. That, and the fact that China does not impose as a precondition of lending and trade that you upend your social/sexual norms and/or demographically transform your country through mass immigration. China simply offers a better deal.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by AdeptusAquinas on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:15PM (#42870547)
Agree with most of this (not the weird anti-immigrant bit but the rest), however China does have some foreign requirements that are a bit of a pain in the ass, like its insistence that Taiwan isn't a country. They also don't like it and will retaliate when you point out the shady shit it does (e.g. the Uighurs), but then thats no different from the states especially under its current toddler administration.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by intalentive on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @03:44PM (#42870909)
The immigration bit helps explain why Hungary, for instance, is trying to escape Western orbit and align with the East.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by intended on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:16PM (#42871270)
Is Hungary planning to exit the EU?
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by intalentive on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:45PM (#42871606)
I can't say what Orban is planning specifically, but his recent actions have not been well received by the EU Council, to say the least. Moreover Hungary has been China's main outpost in Europe since 2015 when it joined Belt and Road.

Considering fresh signs of rupture in transatlantic relations, maybe Orban will turn out to have had keen foresight. There seems to be some sort of realignment afoot under the Trump administration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_visits_by_Viktor_Orb%C3%A...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Hungary_relation...

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by portaouflop on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:16PM (#42873186)
Orban is a racist, kleptocratic madman that runs a mafia state - trying to apply reason to his actions beyond enriching himself and his lackeys is a fools game
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by skinnymuch on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:22PM (#42871331)
Every country would behave like China in the same situation with Taiwan. Imagine if the Confederates moved over to Puerto Rico or Hawaii or Alaska. America damn sure would say that’s America still. They’re literally the same people from the same land. Same ethnicity. Same history. Only being apart for under a century.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by worik on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:18PM (#42873199)
> They’re literally the same people from the same land. Same ethnicity. Same history. Only being apart for under a century

I see what you mean. But there is an alternative point of view.

The indigenous people of Taiwan are very different. DNA wise they are the prototypical polynesians

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by skinnymuch on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:46AM (#42875522)
From an alternative pov from any one not from the west/colonizer countries:

We arent talking about those indigenous people regarding this topic. We are talking about the Chinese people there. This would be clear and obvious if Confederates were in any of the examples I gave. All 3 examples have indigenous people now who aren’t cared about now.

Americans were still actively cleansing Native Americans under 200 years ago. The only country that would do anything serious about an attempt at Chinese reunification would be America [and of course NATO and Europe but if America wasn’t doing anything, Europe wouldn’t either].

If it wasn’t for America, reunification would have already happened.

So the pov of Americans or the west caring about indigenous people is faulty from the pov of most of the rest of the world. The west should care about indigenous people in their own direct spheres of influence first.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:39PM (#42873360)
> its insistence that Taiwan isn't a country

Lol Taiwan is officially the "Republic of China", as per their own claims.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by segasaturn on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @04:28PM (#42871403)
BYD cars are everywhere in Latin America and Europe. Xiaomi phones also.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by frosting1337 on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:42PM (#42872863)
Same in Australia. Xiaomi phones less so.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by faizmokh on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @06:37PM (#42872824)
A much better build compared to Tesla.
Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by worik on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:15PM (#42873174)
> A much better build compared to Tesla.

Really? I am intrigued. Why do you think that?

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by crote on Thursday January 30, 2025 @12:07AM (#42875074)
The Cybertruck is well-known for breaking down for the silliest reasons and losing parts during regular driving.

I have no idea what the build quality of BYD is, but doing better than Tesla isn't exactly a challenge.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dismalaf on Wednesday January 29, 2025 @07:10PM (#42873139)
I live in Europe half the time. Literally never seen a BYD car in the flesh.

Chinese phones, yes. But I'd argue we're past peak China. Huawei phones briefly were the #1 selling in the world, have since pulled back.

Re:OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data Op... by dang on Thursday January 30, 2025 @01:16AM (#42875390)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.