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Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by resiros on Thursday January 23, 2025 @12:51PM (#42806184)
One has to respect his procrastination skills. He would go to learn quantum mechanics just not to complete the game of thrones books.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by umvi on Thursday January 23, 2025 @12:58PM (#42806256)
Patrick Rothfuss goes to similar procrastination lengths. Guess Brandon Sanderson will have to finish their series after they die.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by navbaker on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:14PM (#42806399)
I love that he actually posts % complete widgets at the top of his website showing how far along he is in the multiple books he authors at once. Closest thing to a Grafana dashboard for authors we’re going to get!
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by alt227 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:15PM (#42806416)
Im on his website and I cant see that anywhere, can you share a link?
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by otonnesen on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:19PM (#42806440)
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by alt227 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:23PM (#42806472)
Thankyou.

Thats a great idea. I bet it stops so many repetitive emails and tweets from fans.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by s1artibartfast on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:42PM (#42806699)
I don't think rothfuss has it in him anymore. I love the books, but I think they were a self projection where the author wrote himself into the story, and then changed as a person. Kvothe has the personality of a 2005 reddit neckbeard that I can only assume is a lot less attractive to the author now in his 50s.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by Suppafly on Thursday January 23, 2025 @02:33PM (#42807224)
>I don't think rothfuss has it in him anymore.

I really don't understand why his editors don't just provide him a team, like a tv show writing room, and he can bounce ideas off them and have them mechanically churn out his ideas. He could knock it out in a few months and be a hero and put it all behind him cleanly then.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by umvi on Thursday January 23, 2025 @03:29PM (#42807757)
Honestly, at this point I'd just take a wiki page with a brain dump of any unrevealed lore along with his vague plans of how he was going to tie it all together and just let the community figure out the rest of the story, Elden Ring style.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by s1artibartfast on Thursday January 23, 2025 @04:12PM (#42808141)
I think what really made Rothfuss special was how he would slip into poetic prose without overtly signaling the reader, and that this would be hard to mimic.

Same with his parallel construction of lore using repetition of similar but distinct stories.

Simply saying "this is the truth" or "this is what happened" would not be the same, and I dont think many fanfic authors could pull it off convincingly.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by Suppafly on Thursday January 23, 2025 @04:24PM (#42808235)
This, a lot of people that don't read very deeply just assume there isn't much there and it's just a mary sue self insert story and don't really notice any of the other themes that are going on. There is a lot of good writing going on, but I suppose for the people that don't care anyway, a rough fan fiction would be good enough for them.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by s1artibartfast on Thursday January 23, 2025 @04:40PM (#42808366)
For what its worth, I also posted the sibling comment calling it a self insert story, but its not just a self insert story.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by s1artibartfast on Thursday January 23, 2025 @02:48PM (#42807370)
I suspect there are a number of very human reasons why an author wouldn't want to do that. I also suspect the output would be pretty different.

I find the idea kind of revolting, but I am also surprised that collaborative writing is so rare. I suppose it cuts to the question of what the point of writing the book is in the first place.

It is hard to think of a recent example aside from the expanse by "James S.A. Corey"

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by Suppafly on Thursday January 23, 2025 @04:25PM (#42808239)
>I find the idea kind of revolting, but I am also surprised that collaborative writing is so rare.

I suspect it's less rare than we think it is, especially if you consider how much editing a lot of editors end up doing.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by s1artibartfast on Thursday January 23, 2025 @04:50PM (#42808438)
High quality artistic collaboration is hard and even harder in a capitalist model (this is coming from libertarian capitalist). Compelling art is definitionally outside the mainstream, as this is a pre-requisite for novel insight and creativity. This is why hundred million dollar movies and series can't simply hire good writers.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by DASD on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:05PM (#42806319)
Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series is the reason why I never start a new multi-volume series unless it is already completed.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by darrylb42 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:14PM (#42806398)
I still remember seeing the first 3 paperbacks in the store. Thinking ahh a nice finished trilogy, what a trick that was.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by s1artibartfast on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:52PM (#42806813)
I actually prefer my fantasy series to be unfinished. For me, a solid majority of the enjoyment is figuring out events and more from clues and foreshadowing.

There are so many things that I picked up on the third read through that I simply would have been told in a later book if they were all available.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by Hasu on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:21PM (#42806450)
> Guess Brandon Sanderson will have to finish their series after they die.

People say this often, and I don't get it. Sanderson is a terrible writer and his works and themes are nothing like ASOIAF. His only merit he has is "finishes books quickly". He's not even a fan of the books, he says they're "too dark" for him. He's the worst possible choice!

But I don't want anyone to finish ASOIAF if George dies before it's over. It's his story and no one else can do it right. We did this already and everyone hated it!

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by sgillen on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:27PM (#42806514)
It's just a joke, because Sanderson finished Wheel of Time after Robert Jordan died.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by w0m on Thursday January 23, 2025 @02:05PM (#42806939)
Despite Sanderson and Jordan having starkly different styles - I do think he did the series justice. Well worth reading.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by ffsm8 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @05:20PM (#42808641)
While I'm glad Sanderson finished the series, I still felt there was a pretty strong change in the feeling of the story.

Until he took over, Rand was basically continuously loosing his sanity in the pursuit of power, which he needed to fight the dark one, which brought him closer to the madness, feeding the cycle.

It kept getting more urgent, things kept escalating. But Sandersons Rand never really lost control, imo. Rand's success felt preordained by his story telling, whereas previously the only thing we could expect was that Rand would go down fighting.

To be clear, I'm aware that Sanderson finished the story via Jordan's notes. But I strongly suspect he wouldn't have kept to them if he wrote it himself. I base that opinion on the fact that the series was supposed to be way shorter. I don't remember the exact number, but it was something like 6 books

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by UberMouse on Thursday January 23, 2025 @09:49PM (#42810066)
Brandon Sanderson only wrote the last book though? (which he split in two because all the stuff Robert Jordan wanted to cram in would have been a ridiculous 2000+ page tome) so it was already going to be at least 11 books by Robert Jordan. FWIW the two Sanderson books are my favourite of the series (but they are also the ending so it's hard to say)
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by ffsm8 on Friday January 24, 2025 @01:45AM (#42811054)
He wrote the last 3, which was indeed meant to be 1 by Jordan.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by Suppafly on Thursday January 23, 2025 @02:27PM (#42807151)
His work finishing WoT is better than a lot of his own work. I think he's publicly said he wouldn't finish ASOIAF though. I'm sure part of it is out of respect for the GRRM who is still alive, but also Sanderson isn't really capable of writing adult themes and situations due to his mormon background, so he literally wouldn't be able to adequately complete it.

>We did this already and everyone hated it!

Because they rushed it in a way that made no logical sense.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by justin66 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:28PM (#42806534)
GRRM procrastinates writing A Game of Thrones books by making A Game of Thrones TV shows. Patrick Rothfuss procrastinates by doing cheesy charity work (whose positive impact is dwarfed by what he could do by donating the money from a third book) and playing D&D on youtube or some shit.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by Suppafly on Thursday January 23, 2025 @02:34PM (#42807239)
>Patrick Rothfuss procrastinates by doing cheesy charity work

He's scammed his fans so many times by lying about the charity work rewards, I'm surprised any of them still donate.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by dgfitz on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:32PM (#42806587)
I inhaled the first 2 books in that series.

I will not read the last one even if he publishes it. I won't disparage the guy here, but I am no longer a fan, and I have zero faith he will ever finish the series. And if he does, he gets zero minutes of my time and zero units of my money.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by autoexec on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:39PM (#42806666)
The first two really were good though. If he finishes the third I'll happily re-read the first two and then give the third a chance. I'm not starting anything new he writes until I know it has an ending though. That's also my rule for any series on Netflix.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by w0m on Thursday January 23, 2025 @02:07PM (#42806958)
Name of the Wind is up there in my top pantheon, right up there with the Hobbit and Dune (among others). I'm sad we'll never see the end.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by EA-3167 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:01PM (#42806282)
I don't blame them for writing themselves into corners, but lacking the courage to tell your readers that you've done so and there will be no resolution to the story you've been writing doesn't impress me. I don't think they owe people a resolution, but I do think they owe them a bit of honesty.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by ziddoap on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:21PM (#42806455)
The thing that irks me the most is that Patrick Rothfuss used to brag about how he had already completed all three books of the trilogy, and just needed to do editing passes.

That was over a decade ago.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by readthenotes1 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:29PM (#42806545)
"That was over a decade ago."

Or

That was before he made enough money to do something other than write in his trailer.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by Suppafly on Thursday January 23, 2025 @02:31PM (#42807195)
GRRM's issue is that he needs to figure out how to get all of the interesting characters in one place from across a huge world. He just needs to write some sort of teleportation into the story, that's how Jordan handled it in the WoT series.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by im3w1l on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:28PM (#42806532)
So about the writing themselves into a corner part, it would be unconventional but what about releasing a second revision of an earlier book to make the whole coherent?
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by GuB-42 on Friday January 24, 2025 @11:00AM (#42814388)
And Donald Knuth!

But I don't expect Brandon Sanderson to finish that one. In fact, I don't expect anyone to even think about it.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by KineticLensman on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:24PM (#42806479)
He’s 76 and this is a project he started 30 years ago. Perhaps his motivation has changed in that time. I know mine would have.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by jimbob45 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:33PM (#42806605)
Yeah fun fact: the books were already well enough known by the time WarCraft 3 was released that the final mission was named "A Symphony of Frost and Flame".
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by cubefox on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:02PM (#42806288)
Being a) self-employed and b) already wealthy (no deadlines) and c) doing something purely creative, i.e. non-technical ... that's the worst case scenario for motivation.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by IncreasePosts on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:19PM (#42806433)
Add in finishing a creative work.

At least for me, the first 90% is way more fun than the last 10%.

The last 10% is where you need to come to terms with all the mistakes you made along the way that prevent you from getting the final polish you want

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by wavemode on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:24PM (#42806482)
In other words - you have to finish the first 90%, then finish the remaining 90%.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by cubefox on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:33PM (#42806604)
Yeah. And also fear of ideas not being good enough to match the (by now) likely overblown fan expectations. It's like Valve considering to make Half-life 3: anything less than a masterpiece would be a disappointment.
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by psunavy03 on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:18PM (#42806431)
There's such a thing as "respect for the fanbase that made you rich."
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by autoexec on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:31PM (#42806580)
Also just being free of the expectations of others. No matter how it turns out I bet it'd be nice if he could wake up and know that it's been finished and that he doesn't have to worry about people asking about it anymore
Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by dageshi on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:02PM (#42806296)
I'm convinced he has draft versions of the complete story at this point and will keep revising it till he passes away whereupon it'll be published posthumously.

Or perhaps this is just copium on my part.

Re:George R.R. Martin has co-authored a physics paper by rtkwe on Thursday January 23, 2025 @01:33PM (#42806610)
From what I've read about his process the initial drafts will vary massively from the finished product because he's very iterative and will go on long digressions either getting characters to a point or exploring where characters would go from where they are at that particular point.

That's what gives them such a rich feeling because he's working with characters and how they'd perhaps operate in the world but that makes it hard to wrangle them into particular positions if you're dedicated to the idea that they should proceed naturally from where they are to where they are next. It leads to a bit of a combinatorial explosion of needing to setup causes to push them into the next part of the story but you have to setup those causes first, which need their own antecedents, and on and on and on.