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Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by AnonHP on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:23AM (#42778436)
I understand that this post is flagged because it can start flame wars and “not curious conversations”, but I’m curious about what people here from different parts of the world are seeing for these search terms. If censorship is indeed happening either due to manual flags or “AI” algorithms, people need to know what’s happening and if this is just anecdotal or geography specific or could be spreading to other countries in other forms for other search words and terms.

I don’t have an Instagram account to verify this myself.

Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by pjc50 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:56AM (#42778703)
UK: can confirm that '#democrat' gives "we've hidden these results". While typing in the search box it auto-suggests "democrats crying memes", which is not hidden.
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by pjc50 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:19AM (#42779778)
Mentioned this to people at lunch and it's already been "corrected".
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by youngtaff on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:46AM (#42781381)
Also in the UK… it's fixed in part - works on my phone but not in my browser
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by sirsinsalot on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:47AM (#42779090)
HN flags and removes lots of this sort of discussion for not aligning with their goals (imho, anecdotally). Censorship is a creeping disease that already has its foot over the winning line.
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by 93po on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @08:57AM (#42780099)
moderation to keep things on-topic is not the same as censorship. spaces are allowed to, and should, exist for certain topic areas.
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by harimau777 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:42AM (#42781333)
In this case though, it's pretty clearly on topic. This is a major tech company and they are claiming that it is due to a software bug.
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by philistine on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:24AM (#42780396)
Ultimately, it is the same as censorship. That's why it's so tough to find the right balance between fostering a community and extinguishing it.

We call it differently because its purpose is different, not its actions.

Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by xoa on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:42PM (#42787234)
>Ultimately, it is the same as censorship.

No, freedom of speech is not censorship, no matter how hard so many try to push the idea. Censorship involves the use of force, be it direct or implied, not others choosing not to give you support. Inherent in the right to express an opinion is the right to not express an opinion, both yourself and on your own private forum. Hacker News (or any other private site) are not public forums, the public forum is the internet. If HN wishes not to allow certain things, that's literally freedom of speech. Of course, those choices can in turn be criticized (both here within rules at HN's choice but also on other forums entirely or by creating your own), and the criticism criticized in turn and so on. Depending on the arguments made and social and economic pressure it creates some involved may change their stances, or not.

But none of that is censorship. Censorship is the death of that process, force being used to put an end to the circle of social/economic discussion.

>That's why it's so tough to find the right balance between fostering a community and extinguishing it.

It's hard to do so sure, but not because of some "censorship" thing but just because managing human relationships and networks and community is hard.

Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by Tadpole9181 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:17AM (#42780296)
Yeah, there's absolutely nothing tech or intellectually provoking about about this post! Wait...
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by red-iron-pine on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @12:25PM (#42782768)
foot over the winning line? bratna, they've been dancing in the endzone for well over a decade, arguably since the mid 2000s when the W Bush media convinced the average voter to "support the troops" even if they're against fighting two wars at once.

this isn't foot over, this is consolidation. to quote a marvel movie: "we're in the endgame now"

Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by TrackerFF on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:21AM (#42779327)
Norway

Searched for #dnc #democrat right now, and got relevant results.

Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by pedrogpimenta on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:32AM (#42778501)
I get the same "We've hidden these results" on Instagram in Spain. But #democrats (plural) works and #fucktrump as well (a user here was saying that was censored but #fuckbiden was allowed)
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by monsieurgaufre on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:07AM (#42779232)
Same in Canada
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by louismerlin on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:53AM (#42778677)
Same here in Germany
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by thiht on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:01AM (#42778743)
Same in France, both #fucktrump and #democrats are censored, #republicans and #fuckbiden are allowed
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by jscohn85 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:30AM (#42778974)
Same in Colombia, too
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by ryu2k2 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:07AM (#42781679)
I only have an X account and got no censorship for #fucktrump
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by vool on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:17AM (#42778874)
Ireland: can confirm that both '#democrat' and '#democrats' gives "we've hidden these results"
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by toomuchtodo on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @09:27AM (#42780423)
Is this reportable to the EU as an EU resident?
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by SSLy on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:10AM (#42778821)
Poland, www, desktop: #democrat shows me only suggestion of #démocratie and a spinner, #republican works like usual.
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by sandos on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @07:26AM (#42779364)
Same here in Sweden
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by aussieguy1234 on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @06:26AM (#42778949)
Confirmed in Australia, still happening
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by andrepd on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @10:19AM (#42781032)
Examples of pairs of keywords and their effects:

- #dnc (no results) vs #rnc (normal results)

- #voteblue (no results) vs #votered (normal results)

- #fuckbiden (normal results) vs #fucktrump (no results)

Most likely explanation is whatever algorithm change they pushed on 20/Jan to boost Trump-aligned posts and bury Trump unaligned ones was accidentally tuned too aggressively and became too obvious. Please accept our apologies, we will be rectifying the issue and fixing the Algorithm so the manipulation of public opinion is properly hidden, as intended.

Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by abenga on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @11:49AM (#42782250)
Kenya: was blocking #democrat a couple of hours ago.
Re:Meta Censoring '#Democrat' on Instagram by hulitu on Tuesday January 21, 2025 @05:35PM (#42785958)
> If censorship is indeed happening either due to manual flags or “AI” algorithms, people need to know what’s happening and if this is just anecdotal or geography specific or could be spreading to other countries in other forms for other search words and terms.

Not only it is happening. It is also influenced by the biggest bidder.