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Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by _rm on Monday January 06, 2025 @06:43AM (#42609765)
System working as designed?

Like, if your hobby is throwing a disc as far as you can, have fun. But don't expect many people to pay to watch right?

But people pay a whole lot to see nice bodies doing sexual stuff. So since money comes from what other people value, no need for a surprised Pikachu face.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by igor47 on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:15AM (#42610695)
I mean... Yes okay. But is this the world you prefer? Wouldn't it be nice if we could both tell children to be the best they could be at something, to strive for greatness... And then also supported them when they did? Or would you rather reduce humanity to the cold calculus of capitalism?
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by herdcall on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:46AM (#42610964)
You're correct. But throwing a disc may be fun activity, but by no means is it a mark of "greatness." If a pro sport can't entertain, IMO it's a waste of time and contributes little to humanity. I would be happier if people celebrate wins in science.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by unsupp0rted on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:39AM (#42610899)
Yes, I prefer it this way. Children can be the best they can be at something, and have that thing generate no value to anybody else around them. No need to subsidize it.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by JambalayaJimbo on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:48AM (#42610982)
People very much do care about the olympics… once every 4 years. There is clearly value generated by throwing a disk around, and it’s not being distributed well.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by unsupp0rted on Monday January 06, 2025 @10:55AM (#42611601)
Do they? I can't name a single disc thrower, sabre-master, parallel bar gripper, judo person, or thing-shooter.

Every once in a while a Turkish guy shooting with no equipment becomes a meme, or the greatest swimmer or runner in the history of the world comes onto the scene. Newsmedia goes nuts because this sells advertising.

But then a southern girl in a 5-second viral video does 100x of that in notoriety, with no travel budget and for the production cost of a single Big Mac.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by DrillShopper on Monday January 06, 2025 @12:00PM (#42612356)
> Do they?

Clearly they do or NBC wouldn't pay approximately eleventy quadtrillion dollars every time the contract is up to renew. NBC makes billions on the Olympics though running advertising and advertisers are willing to pay NBC's rates therefore at least enough people care for NBC to profit massively.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by unsupp0rted on Monday January 06, 2025 @12:16PM (#42612563)
Advertisers might be paying due to historical inertia and the need to compete with other advertisers during these times. And NBC rakes in the money just like Google does from local pest control companies who pay $10+ per click.

They don't want to pay that much, they may not really profit from paying that much, but they can't let their competitors take the customer for free.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by AuryGlenz on Tuesday January 07, 2025 @03:14AM (#42620420)
Except NBC barely broadcasts any sports other than swimming, gymnastics, and track and field (summer). If you’re good at one of those you’re probably good financially as well. If you’re a decent shot..putter?

Nobody particularly cares, other than other people in the sport. The only reason they might show you is if you win a medal for the US.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by hindsightbias on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:36AM (#42642717)
Maybe there should be some ethical consideration of a culture of prizing American/German/Chinese/Russian mostly semi-pro and literally pro athletes stomping mostly real amateurs from the rest of the world in the olympiad.

They could all save a lot of money and it would probably be more interesting to watch.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by MichaelZuo on Monday January 06, 2025 @10:11AM (#42611193)
They do care for a few seconds on average per viewer… so that small amount of value is making its way to the athlete.

It’s just a fraction of a cent per viewer. So even with hundreds of millions of viewers it’s still barely a hundred thousand dollars to be split up between all disk throwers.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by Neonlicht on Monday January 06, 2025 @12:58PM (#42613109)
Let's be real here the value comes from someone winning a medal for their country. I don't think a single person in the Netherlands gives a shit about fencing or kayaking but if a Dutch boy/girl ends up on the podium it's broadcast live.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by kitd on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:34AM (#42644238)
Children can be the best they can be at something, and have that thing generate no value to anybody else around them

Except that the IOC generate billions in revenue so there obviously is value to a lot of people in it somewhere. The problem as stated is that the root source of that value, ie the athletes, see very little of that revenue.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by lmm on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:53AM (#42645487)
> the IOC generate billions in revenue so there obviously is value to a lot of people in it somewhere.

There's value in the Olympics, sure, but that value is concentrated in a handful of big-name sports. The smaller ones come along for the ride rather than generating value themselves.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by _rm on Monday January 06, 2025 @10:37AM (#42611420)
Yeah but I'm not going to tell them throwing a disc is greatness, and I'm not going to tell them to make up the gap between what they think an activity is worth and what society thinks it's worth by becoming a whiner. That'd be abuse.

Support is a two way street, and I'd rather kids grow up to be strong and able to be those supporters of others than end up a depressed lonely loser, when they could've been happy instead, because they pissed their efforts on some trivia.

I found your capitalism quip particularly amusing. I know it's just a parroting of programming from your university days, but I'm sure there's someone in a labour camp in North Korea who'd crack at least a brief smile at the idea of a poor downtrodden Olympian proletarian spending all day practicing throwing a stick because it's their passion.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by eviks on Monday January 06, 2025 @09:39AM (#42610898)
> But don't expect many people to pay to watch right?

Why did you ignore the fact from the article that people do pay to watch (it's one of the most watched events in the world) it's just that that money doesn't reach the athletes? Not sure which pokemon represents that

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by _rm on Monday January 06, 2025 @10:16AM (#42611241)
It's not a great business model as an athlete though is it now? Not really going to build up a following when you do it once every 4 years, or maybe only once. And unless you're in a prestigious event like the 100m sprint you're closer to a clown entertainment role wise, swinging your ball on a string or whatever.

Sure, an actual clown will get paid a tad better than zero by their circus, but they don't have the upside of a potential lucrative clown shoe sponsorship deal if they win.

TL;DR: these athletes knew the deal before they went in, and shouldn't act victim when they have to show their butts on only fans because their gamble didn't land.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by DrillShopper on Monday January 06, 2025 @11:58AM (#42612332)
> shouldn't act victim

Where is anybody "acting" victim? Isn't choosing to open an OnlyFans and posting on it to make rent and travel money the opposite of playing victim since they're taking agency over their situation?

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by insane_dreamer on Thursday January 09, 2025 @01:57AM (#42642371)
once every four years (and that's if you're good enough to make it to multiple olympics) isn't going to pay the bills
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by eviks on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:37AM (#42642725)
This doesn't make sense as

1) it entirely depends on the prize and the financing infrastructure around it

2) athletes can participate in other competitions besides the Olympics

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by sofixa on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:31AM (#42644215)
> athletes can participate in other competitions besides the Olympics

They can, but almost none of them are even remotely as popular as the Olympics. The only exceptions are in massive sports (football, in the US american football, hockey, basketball; in countries like India cricket; tennis, F1). For every other sport, the Olympics are the pinnacle and nothing is even remotely comparable.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by insane_dreamer on Thursday January 09, 2025 @11:10AM (#42646999)
1) athletes don't make much prize money from the Olympics; what it can lead to is advertising ops and endorsements -- and that's where money comes in.

2) yeah, but who watches those? and if there's nobody watching then there's not much money in it

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by moi2388 on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:10AM (#42642502)
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Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by dod9er on Thursday January 09, 2025 @03:46AM (#42643196)
First quote from Google-Search: "The International Olympic Committee (IOC) generated US$902 million in revenue for the 2023 financial year."
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by onion2k on Thursday January 09, 2025 @04:39AM (#42643501)
That's less to do with people paying to watch someone throw a disc as far as they can, and more to do with corporations understanding that putting the Olympic logo on a shirt increases sales.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by timeon on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:02AM (#42644047)
Logo would not exist if there were no athletes.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by t_mann on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:13AM (#42644118)
That's comparable to the revenue of a single (top-level) soccer club: https://www.sportico.com/leagues/soccer/2024/manchester-unit... https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/40629331/real-madrid-...

A quick Google search suggests that the Olympics feature about 10k athletes in summer games and 3k in winter games - 2-3 orders of magnitude more than the typical 20-30 players on staff at a soccer club. I wouldn't be surprised if the wage gap was even more crass than those numbers suggest, but it shows that major spectator sports are an entirely different game.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by WalterBright on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:27AM (#42642656)
A few years ago, I remember when the Olympics was hosted in Vancouver, BC. The news reported that an insane amount of free condoms was distributed to the athletes. Some lower level athletes were interviewed, and they said they knew they had zero chance of a medal, but were having the time of their lives.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by afterburner on Thursday January 09, 2025 @03:52AM (#42643232)
They were also easy souvenirs to hoard.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by _rm on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:14AM (#42644492)
I think people chose to interpret that more lasciviously than it was.

If you offer something for free, especially to people we now understand to often be quite poor, they're going to fill their suitcase with them.

Even if you are offering beer coasters for free, someone's going to fill their suitcase with them.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by benjijay on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:58AM (#42644865)
This always gets the pearl-clutchers out of the woodwork - you're gathering a few hundred of the world's fittest people in peak performance mode in the same place for a few weeks, giving most of them a huge amount of downtime, what do you THINK is going to happen? (This is the general 'you', not YOU)

Providing free access to make sure things are happening safely is not what's 'encouraging the behaviour' here :D

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by Frieren on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:41AM (#42642755)
> if your hobby

"Olympians" representing their countries.

- Is your hobby "to create software"? Then you should not be paid for it. - Do you like to help peolpe? Then you should not be paid for being a doctor. - etc.

Who should earn all the money then? The owners of the TV stations, the owners of the hospitals, basically the people that does nothing and just own things. What a dystopia of a world are we creating.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by teractiveodular on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:56AM (#42642850)
Creating software is an economically profitable activity that many people are willing to pay top dollar for. Throwing a disc really far by hand, not so much.

That said, the "hobby" angle is irrelevant here. As the article points out, the IOC makes an absolute fuckton of money from Olympic broadcast rights and sponsors, essentially none of which flows back to the actual athletes.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by timeon on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:04AM (#42644058)
However end result is often the same.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by sofixa on Thursday January 09, 2025 @06:34AM (#42644234)
> As the article points out, the IOC makes an absolute fuckton of money from Olympic broadcast rights and sponsors, essentially none of which flows back to the actual athletes.

A lot of it flows back into the Olympic Committees of each country, who are in charge of spreading it, investing into infrastructure, youth development, etc.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by magxnta on Thursday January 09, 2025 @02:50AM (#42642817)
I represented my country in cycle ball as well. The thing is that nobody is really interested in that, similar to how nobody is interested in people throwing discs as far as possible. Just because you represent a country, it’s not necessarily interesting and people don’t have to get paid for it.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by matips on Thursday January 09, 2025 @04:57AM (#42643621)
> "Olympians" representing their countries.

Yes, but people connected to Olympic want to be independent from governments. In some way Olympians Games are private tournaments which are sponsored by host countries.

It is funny that "Olympians" representing my country when they demands public money, but are independent from government when we are talking about organization of National Olympic Committee.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by Almondsetat on Thursday January 09, 2025 @05:34AM (#42643867)
Ok then why don't they get paid a living wage by the countries they are representing? Wouldn't representing a country be a government job?

Otherwise they are private workers/entrepreneurs and as such should be paid by what their customers feel like they're worth. Creating software can be an unpaid hobby, a government job, a private job, or a personal business.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by carlosjobim on Thursday January 09, 2025 @09:04AM (#42645608)
If it became a government job, then they wouldn't be able to get rid of the athletes when they're too old to perform. The solution of course is to distribute gold medals and awards according to age and experience rather than athletic performance.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by AdrianB1 on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:09AM (#42644972)
> "Olympians" representing their countries.

Maybe. But they don't represent the people in their countries. Paying them is not a matter of taxation, I don't care about watching sports (but I do sports) and I never watch, I don't see myself represented in any way and I am not willing to pay for the "honor" or being "represented". In the end the article is about money: who should pay, why, how much? Not the tax payer.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by lmm on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:43AM (#42645358)
> Who should earn all the money then?

The people doing the jobs that no-one wants to do. The garbagemen, the plumbers, the cleaners. And/or the people who do stuff that other people value, that people will pay to have it done well rather than badly.

If you're doing something fun, something that other people would very happily do for free, then yeah you shouldn't feel entitled to get paid for it. If you're good at your hobby and people care about it, they might pay you to do it (and I'd absolutely count software development among that), but that's up to them.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by _rm on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:45AM (#42645377)
Those aren't hobbies. I'm not saying don't enjoy what you do. But if you want good money you're going to have to consider its value to others.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by sureIy on Thursday January 09, 2025 @04:01AM (#42643295)
Average people, no. People most definitely pay to watch olympians. In fact, they spend thousands of dollars to travel across the world to do so.

Whether this can be a career depends on the specific sport.

Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by lmm on Thursday January 09, 2025 @08:49AM (#42645434)
People travel around the world and pay a lot to see a small handful of big-name sports. The long tail of olympic events is watched mostly by people who came for the big-name sports (or lived there already) and figured they might as well catch something else while they were in town.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by ccppurcell on Thursday January 09, 2025 @04:36AM (#42643483)
Well the IOC makes an enormous amount of money that has to come from somewhere. That is a reflection of the demand. Tickets are extremely expensive and the deals for live broadcast also involve huge amounts of money, which broadcasters wouldn't pay if they didn't think many would watch. The point of this article is simply that a bigger fraction of that money should go to the athletes. They are prevented in various ways from bargaining collectively.
Re:Olympians turn to OnlyFans to fund dreams due to 'broken'... by n144q on Thursday January 09, 2025 @07:35AM (#42644661)
These days I start to think (US) college sports, as bad as they are for many reasons, are much better than the Olympics, in the sense that at least athletes don't need to worry about being able to afford the training.