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Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by greatgib on Saturday December 07, 2024 @09:12PM (#42354487)
What I really would like to understand is what Musk was doing there? No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "fervent catholic". And why he took the spot of anyone else that could be a fervent catholic just by being rich...
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by tjpnz on Saturday December 07, 2024 @11:59PM (#42355111)
Did strike me as a bit odd. Musk won't be president until January 20.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by paxys on Saturday December 07, 2024 @09:26PM (#42354554)
He spent $250M to elect Trump so now gets to be in the inner circle and travel with him, simple as that.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by breadwinner on Saturday December 07, 2024 @10:39PM (#42354873)
It's more than just traveling with him... he or his representatives are interviewing and hiring key government officials. (See link below.) Basically Musk is running the US government like it is another Musk company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/trump-elon-mu...

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by Sabinus on Saturday December 07, 2024 @11:03PM (#42354944)
But remember, the same conspiracists who love Trump will decry politically active billionaires like George Soros for decades but if it's a Right Wing Billionaire actually paying for positions that is cool and normal.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by anon291 on Saturday December 07, 2024 @10:26PM (#42354814)
Because Europe wants space access?
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by Dalewyn on Saturday December 07, 2024 @09:29PM (#42354559)
>No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "fervent catholic".

True liberalism is a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in, and someone able to appreciate and pray as he desires. Freedom of religion. Musk might not be a "fervent Catholic", but is that really even relevant in celebrating the restoration of one of the greatest cathedrals?

Identity politics like this truly waste all of our times and turn what are simple moments of happiness into artificial problems.

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by paxys on Saturday December 07, 2024 @09:44PM (#42354640)
> a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in

My invite got lost in the mail, I guess. Or maybe the criteria wasn't just "anyone desiring to come in".

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by Dalewyn on Saturday December 07, 2024 @10:07PM (#42354733)
You and I both know this was a party for the powerful and the rich, if it wasn't Trump and Musk it was going to be Harris and Lady Gaga or something. The point I'm trying to make is that nothing is stopping you or anyone from visiting Notre Dame to celebrate its return and perhaps even pray there if you so desire, regardless if you're a "fervent Catholic".

In fact, consider that Prince William is also present. He's a member of the British royal family and heir-apparent to the British throne. The British monarch is also the head of the Church of England, which is a friendly rival to the Catholic Church.

It is pointless to argue for identity politics, only assholes wanting to cause strife do that. Let us not waste our time and happiness on them and that.

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by anon291 on Saturday December 07, 2024 @10:27PM (#42354820)
Keep in mind the church doesn't own the building. It's owned by France and France gets to invite whom they want. The church just uses the building by arrangement.

I only say this because you're not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass. St Peters for example all masses are public. There are tickets but these are free if it's expected to be large.

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by dragonwriter on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:46PM (#42362098)
> I only say this because you’re not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass.

“Not really supposed to be” in the sense of “it is a crime under canon law (Canon 1380) for both the seller and buyer punishable by a wide range of sanctions, including interdict and, for someone in orders and/or holding church office, suspension.”

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by defrost on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:57PM (#42362146)
The bulk of the opening invites are going to either state friends or significant donars.

The rebuild fund donars arguably had no expectation of invitations when they put put up cash many years back to fund the rebuild.

It was reported that the block of French Luxury goods companies that put in over $500 million even went so far as to not claim that contribution as a tax break.

( https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/salma-hayek-billionair... )

So they put in money, but not for tickets and some didn't even use it as a tax break.

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by giraffe_lady on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:29PM (#42362004)
Isn't lady gaga catholic? Any random catholic who wants to be there is a better choice than these neoaristocratic freaks.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by Dalewyn on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:11PM (#42362499)
>Isn't lady gaga catholic?

I honestly don't know since I am not interested in celebrities let alone what they do in their private times. I just rattled her off as the first thing to come to my mind for a recently popular western celebrity.

>Any random catholic who wants to be there is a better choice

Again, this was a party for the powerful and rich. This was an opportunity for France and the Church to bolster its political and diplomatic capitals. You need powerful and rich people to come down for that.

>than these neoaristocratic freaks.

Occupy Wall Street was 13 years ago, that kind of sentiment didn't lead to anything constructive then and it's not going to now either.

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by UberFly on Sunday December 08, 2024 @01:23AM (#42355346)
Maybe he was invited.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by inglor_cz on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:49AM (#42355912)
I am an unbeliever and I visited a lot of catedrals, basilicas, mosques and synagogues in my life.

You can admire the art and the dedication of the builders without being religious. France itself is a secular state with a division of the State and the Church, and yet President Macron is there, because Notre Dame is a national treasure, not just a religious one.

Also, don't kid yourself about the history of the Church and money. While always verbally pro-poor, in practice, it also always sought connections among the rich. Obscene riches of the high clergy were one of the triggers for the Reformation.

Plus ca change...

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by abrenuntio on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:11AM (#42355996)
When a woman honored the Lord with expensive perfume, it was Judas who complained about this. "Why wasn't this money given to the poor?"

Many flawed people belong to the Church. But the art of the Church does not belong to any individual. It exists to honor and glorify the Triune God from within material creation.

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by wqaatwt on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:24AM (#42356302)
If only we knew which church is the correct one..
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by abrenuntio on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:00AM (#42356873)
Napoleon: "don't you know that I can destroy the Church?"

Bishop: "my colleagues have been trying for 1800 years and haven't succeeded."

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by TomK32 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:30AM (#42356329)
Just my opinion, but the overlap of those admiring the artistry of gothic cathedrals and those actually building a car like the Cybertruck is zero.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by inglor_cz on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:54AM (#42356419)
Frankly, SpaceX rockets, ships and spacesuits are visually cool as hell.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by Neonlicht on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:19AM (#42356722)
True story European monarchs used to have a veto on who gets elected as Pope... The church stopped being independent and became a political tool long ago.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by zelphirkalt on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:18AM (#42356285)
The attention w seeks attention. I guess no big surprise there. They should have banned him off the ground of course, as he is as un-christian as it gets. Maybe they hoped some holy water and crosses could drive out the evil spirits or something.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by wqaatwt on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:22AM (#42356295)
Trump's +1? Since his wife probably didn't want to come
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by julienfr112 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:10AM (#42356917)
So that he can build one when he goes to mars ?
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by Xmd5a on Sunday December 08, 2024 @09:00AM (#42357185)
Kourou ?
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by scientist4397 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:31PM (#42361685)
Space X don’t care about it as far as I know, they already what they need in US
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by scientist4397 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @06:32PM (#42361699)
As French, I didn’t get it either maybe due to the presence of Trump and Macron seems to like him after that…