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Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by inglor_cz on Sunday December 08, 2024 @03:49AM (#42355912)
I am an unbeliever and I visited a lot of catedrals, basilicas, mosques and synagogues in my life.

You can admire the art and the dedication of the builders without being religious. France itself is a secular state with a division of the State and the Church, and yet President Macron is there, because Notre Dame is a national treasure, not just a religious one.

Also, don't kid yourself about the history of the Church and money. While always verbally pro-poor, in practice, it also always sought connections among the rich. Obscene riches of the high clergy were one of the triggers for the Reformation.

Plus ca change...

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by abrenuntio on Sunday December 08, 2024 @04:11AM (#42355996)
When a woman honored the Lord with expensive perfume, it was Judas who complained about this. "Why wasn't this money given to the poor?"

Many flawed people belong to the Church. But the art of the Church does not belong to any individual. It exists to honor and glorify the Triune God from within material creation.

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by wqaatwt on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:24AM (#42356302)
If only we knew which church is the correct one..
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by abrenuntio on Sunday December 08, 2024 @08:00AM (#42356873)
Napoleon: "don't you know that I can destroy the Church?"

Bishop: "my colleagues have been trying for 1800 years and haven't succeeded."

Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by TomK32 on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:30AM (#42356329)
Just my opinion, but the overlap of those admiring the artistry of gothic cathedrals and those actually building a car like the Cybertruck is zero.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by inglor_cz on Sunday December 08, 2024 @05:54AM (#42356419)
Frankly, SpaceX rockets, ships and spacesuits are visually cool as hell.
Re:The famed Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris reopens to great ... by Neonlicht on Sunday December 08, 2024 @07:19AM (#42356722)
True story European monarchs used to have a veto on who gets elected as Pope... The church stopped being independent and became a political tool long ago.