And if the Project 2025 plan works as they planned it, that's the truth. America will become a single party state and that won't change without a civil war.

They will stack the courts and every appointable position with pro-Trump (not Republican) people who will make sure every election goes their way in the future.

I personally can't see any other way out unless Team Donald messes up badly enough to make their own people shun them.

!RemindMe in four years

Also if they're having their way, they will break the current system; Trump has said people would never need to vote again if he wins, and Project 2025 aims to give much more power to the president (autocracy): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

The fact remains that more Americans vote Democratic than vote Republican, those votes are just badly distributed for the EC system.

Trump's story is pretty ridiculous, there's no way that his plans on how to fix the economy or the border or the whole department of efficiency thing work anywhere close to as well as he says. Regardless, his demographic believes it.

Kamala's story was a lot weaker, involved a ton of hard truths and concessions about things that people in her base care about such as Gaza. Additionally her story on the border was mostly the same thing as Trump's. If you like the border story, why not go for the guy pushing it harder?

Obama had a pretty good story in 2008 (the whole hope thing). Dems need to get back to that.

The party has evolved an idea that you can do away with those kind of dirty political shenanigans, and construct a rational fact-based proof that will leave voters no choice but to support you, and I think that pretty clearly doesn't work.

Which is why they forced an unpopular, unelected candidate? I don't see it.

And maybe you’ve forgotten how the RNC rules were changed to support their candidate?

Well these rules surely benefitted them.

Refusing to see one self as part of the problem, fundamentally.

That said, the Republicans would have the same problem if Trump dropped out or if that bullet didn't miss.

Dems will continue to make the mistake of coasting deeper into the right wing, picking up 0 voters in doing so (why would I vote for a "tough on immigration" candidate when I can vote for the one who gleefully promises to deport all the browns?), meanwhile disenfranchising any left wing voters left in the USA and creating no new left wing voter bloc by presenting a coherent alternative to the reactionaries.

The same mistake is being made by neo liberal parties across the world.

I'm always surprised by how bipolar US politics is. There's no place for nuance or third options, it's always one or second extreme. In this case, to answer your question, maybe you want to limit an influx of new people into your country (for ideological, or economical, or whatever reasons) but don't want a full on ethnic cleansing. That's OK, people don't have to only hold extreme opinions.

As this election shows, then, you would vote for Trump, who is "better on immigration." You would tell yourself, as many Trump supporters demonstrate in interviews, that "he wouldn't actually do that."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/inside-trumps-plan-mass-dep...

Can I ask - let's say before 2028 the democrat party gets tea partied and gets a genuine fascist candidate. What would that candidate say? What would their policies be? Can you do the same thought experiment for the Republican party? Or do you, unfairly, believe it's simply impossible for one, or the other, party to become genuinely fascistic? Perhaps you even believe fascism was permanently defeated when Mussolini was hanged? I would admire such an optimistic view!

Just in case you're genuinely curious why people say these things, it's not like we're all just making it up. Trump's rhetoric simply, to one who studies history, sounds very similar to Hitler's. It doesn't mean he's as bad as Hitler, it just means he talks like Hitler talked.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-a...

As for hitlerian policy, there is simply no way to deport the millions he has promised to deport that doesn't involve roundups, trains, and concentration camps. It's a physical impossibility to achieve otherwise. Do you disagree? Will he not follow through on his campaign promise to deport every undocumented immigrant?

Not really, I don’t even give it that energy anymore.

I just move on to the next lunatic overreacting and stomping their feet.

The majority of Americans are tired of “everyone I don’t like is a fascist”. You have four years to learn that I guess.

Don’t be a clown and then come to me about “good faith”.

Of the two of us which is more obviously unserious about our positions? Which is more able to speak clearly about them?

If you can't comprehend political analysis, why pretend to understand it? Just say you like the guy and if that makes you a fascist then you like fascism. It seems like you have a vague notion of what facism means and that it's bad - but the same people that you're calling a clown, a child, a lunatic, are the people that define words like "fascism" and imply it's bad. Why listen to us in one case and not the other?

Those are words Trump has used. He said the eating pets thing during the debate.

It's not exaggerated. These are literally things he has said, word for word, over and over.

That's what Trump's circle wants, though. They want to deport 25M immigrants. Generously, the number of people here illegally is only half that. They don't care if people here legally get caught up in it and deported as well.

Deporting even a couple million people will require mass raids, round-ups, and the construction of concentration camps. It is physically impossible to deport that many people quickly or quietly or efficiently.

They're afraid of losing the white majority, plain and simple. The sad thing is so many non-white people don't see this and voted for him.

"play fair"? the democrats used every legal trick they could to get rid of Trump. The dems barely had a primary...

"Project 2025" or whatever it is called? a fucking unhinged conspiracy theory.

spouting bullshit? who's calling the other camp fascist and nazi on cable TV?

How is that a conspiracy theory? It literally exists and was created by Trump loyalists.

> who's calling the other camp fascist and nazi on cable TV?

But that's not bullshit. Trump is following the fascist playbook fairly closely (as agreed by experts in fascist history).

"Project 2025" may be unhinged, but in what sense is it a conspiracy theory? It's right out in the open and produced by one of the most prominent conservative think tanks.

There is not the same opportunity to exploit human weaknesses for Gain.

That’s the issue. When Dems control the amygdala they might have a shot.

So you're asking the wrong questions.

What about the democrats ideology is unpopular? Because that is what people are voting on, not strategy.

It's same for both sides. Pro-life stance cost them a lot of votes and could easily cost them election.

As opposed to "we need to help everyone, especially highly victimized groups". And then people infight over which groups require more attention vs everyone else.

The opinion makers know if it wasn't this close there'd be visible backlash.

If you think Trump, Vance, Vivek, Tulsi, RFK and the just the same but newer versions of Trump, Cheney, Rove, McConnell, Romney, McCain…

Well… I guess we have four more years to see about that.

Presidents can't in reality take all that much credit or blame for the economy. A lot of it is out of their hands, and many economic shifts take longer than a presidential term to play out. But of course presidents will try, and succeed, because most people don't understand this.

On top of that, the GOP complains about how much money Biden "printed" during the pandemic, but Trump did his fair share of that in the first year of it as well. They just make dishonest arguments.

I really don't know how you counter this.