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Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by Animats on Thursday September 26, 2024 @04:32PM (#41663013)
This is up at 17 GHz. It's not the attempt to take over the 900MHz ISM band.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by exabrial on Thursday September 26, 2024 @05:31PM (#41663648)
Same.

There's plenty of spectrum available. For purchase. Contact T-Mobile or Verizon.

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by blackeyeblitzar on Thursday September 26, 2024 @06:05PM (#41664007)
Maybe there is a way to force them to release unused spectrum for free?
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by moralestapia on Thursday September 26, 2024 @07:01PM (#41664479)
Or force regular auctions on them.

(Maybe this is already the case, idk)

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by darksaints on Thursday September 26, 2024 @08:34PM (#41665087)
There is a way, which is through buildout enforcement. Basically, if you don't meet buildout deadlines and cover x% of pops within a specific time period, you forfeit the license. It should probably be a lot more stringent and with tighter deadlines, but the mechanism already exists.

It hasn't ever really been an issue with any spectrum that they've bought in the past, and it has only ever been a concern with mmWave spectrum, because the costs of coverage are much higher than were ever anticipated with their tiny effective ranges. Anything below 3GHz seems to get built out and used extremely quickly.

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by joecool1029 on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:09AM (#41666158)
> There is a way, which is through buildout enforcement.

LOL, DISH squatted nationwode spectrum for years and it wasn't until the tmo/sprint merger that they did more than build a single tower in Colorado. I don't think I've ever seen the FCC seriously enforce the buildout requirements since any license holder can say 'but its hard we need more time/money'

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by JumpCrisscross on Thursday September 26, 2024 @09:28PM (#41665396)
> if you don't meet buildout deadlines and cover x% of pops within a specific time period, you forfeit the license

The issue you have to surmount is this reduces the value of the licenses in the short run. Which means less cash for the seller (the public) now versus a recurring productive asset.

The useless response is to decry hyperbolic discounting. A productive response would think through how to design the auction such that the public would prefer to have the productive, recurring stream of revenue versus some shiny thing today.

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by bastawhiz on Thursday September 26, 2024 @10:18PM (#41665652)
> The issue you have to surmount is this reduces the value of the licenses in the short run. Which means less cash for the seller (the public) now versus a recurring productive asset.

Well, that assumes the public isn't really benefiting from the products and services that can actually take advantage of that spectrum. Making less in license fees is probably a good trade-off if your phone is faster or you get interesting and affordable satellite services.

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by plussed_reader on Thursday September 26, 2024 @09:03PM (#41665261)
I think of the 20B+ the shambling humonculus AT&T has pocketed for fiber deployment and think the process is captured.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by glzone1 on Thursday September 26, 2024 @08:45PM (#41665180)
Dish I think is sitting on a bunch with endless extensions
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by ElderKorihor on Friday September 27, 2024 @12:12AM (#41666172)
Sure. Tax it like any other property.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by brookst on Friday September 27, 2024 @08:07AM (#41669429)
What other properties get taxed? Real estate is the only one I can think of. Precious metals, musical instruments, patents / copyrights / trademarks, vehicles, electronics, lumber. . . none of these properties are taxed.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by sumtechguy on Friday September 27, 2024 @09:11AM (#41670000)
Slight correction cars are typically taxed. Usually in 3 different ways. Fuel, property and tag. Now not all states call it a tax. Not all states have all 3.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by brookst on Sunday September 29, 2024 @10:58AM (#41687843)
I’ve never seen property tax on a car. What states have that? And EV’s don’t typically pay a fuel tax, which wouldn’t be a property tax anyway. Registration/tag is certainly not a property tax.

There’s a difference between taxing ownership of a property and taxing activities you use the property for. The latter includes things like fishing licenses, but nobody would say there’s a property tax on fishing rods.

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by sumtechguy on Tuesday October 01, 2024 @10:33AM (#41708972)
NC has property tax on cars. It is different from state to state what is in or out or what they call it.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by throwaway48476 on Friday September 27, 2024 @09:07AM (#41669975)
The biggest mistake the FCC made was using spectrum to maximize revenue and not value for taxpayer.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by namlem on Saturday September 28, 2024 @03:29AM (#41678568)
Yep. Spectrum should be allocated based on Harberger taxation (sometimes called self-assesed tax)
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by pockybum522 on Thursday September 26, 2024 @05:19PM (#41663516)
I about had a heart attack before I clicked on it and realized that.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by m3kw9 on Thursday September 26, 2024 @06:17PM (#41664115)
Wait until Apple puts 17ghz receivers in their iPhones
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by lxgr on Thursday September 26, 2024 @07:56PM (#41664858)
They already have 30 GHz hardware (for 5G mmwave)!

I don’t think either spectrum will be feasible for direct to cell satellite communication in the short term, though.

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by tanto on Thursday September 26, 2024 @08:15PM (#41664982)
IIRC SpaceMobile showed direct-to-cell satellite communication recently with 5g. Still to be seen if they or someone else (SpaceX?) can make it work large scale.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by dotnet00 on Thursday September 26, 2024 @09:21PM (#41665360)
SpaceX has been launching direct-to-cell satellites for a bit now (a couple per Starlink batch), IIRC they said they need to get to ~300 such satellites to provide consistent service in at least some places. Although, again, worth emphasizing that 'large scale' in this case is still just to provide emergency coverage in places with no other coverage.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by schiffern on Thursday September 26, 2024 @09:42PM (#41665460)
So far they have 233 DTC satellites in space, but some are still raising their orbit and not operational yet.

https://spaceflightnow.com/2024/09/24/live-coverage-spacex-t...

Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by Molitor5901 on Thursday September 26, 2024 @06:57PM (#41664454)
Is that feasible in an iPhone? Could an iPhone with just one more radio become a sat phone?
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by RockRobotRock on Thursday September 26, 2024 @07:11PM (#41664548)
They can already send texts over satellite so probably pretty feasible. Idk though
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by verzali on Friday September 27, 2024 @03:08AM (#41667225)
It's much harder at higher frequencies because you need to point your antenna more accurately. That's pretty hard to do by hand on a phone.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by syedkarim on Friday September 27, 2024 @08:50AM (#41669817)
Alternatively, the aperture of the antenna on the satellite can be increased. So high-gain from space, but low gain on Earth, which is the approach of AST SpaceMobile.
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by idunnoman1222 on Friday September 27, 2024 @01:55PM (#41673646)
How is that not one way communication?
Re:FCC Unlocks Spectrum to Support Advanced Satellite Services by pnut on Friday September 27, 2024 @08:26AM (#41669613)