They have more rights in Israel than they would in any Arab nation.
Gaza was handed back entirely to Palestinian rule in 2005. Everything Jewish was removed, even graves.
Both Jews and Palestinian Arabs have legitimate claims against each other. The levels of barbarity in pursuing these claims is not even remotely comparable.
You don't know even the most basic facts.
Israel left Gaza. It gave the Palestinians what they wanted. Their own area with no settlers. Israel forcefully removed all of its people from all of Gaza.
In exchange they immediately voted in a terrorist organization as their government and began to attack Israel over and over again.
Yes, very violently, and on a massively greater scale than before. Just ask the country's National Security Minister:
Backing settlement, Ben Gvir says he’d be ‘very happy to live in Gaza’ after the war
If ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians leave the Strip, ‘we will be able to bring in more and more people,’ minister says
https://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-settlement-ben-gvir-sa...
I have no words for the level of ignorance and racism on threads like these.
Israel gave Palestinians everything they wanted in Gaza. Full withdrawal. Every bit of territory. And was rewarded with massive repeated terrorist attacks. Never mind that Israel throughout gave Gaza electricity, water, food, and other aid even after leaving to help them rebuild. Palestinians didn't dedicate themselves to building a prosperous nation.
They immediately voted in a terrorist organization. Then they built a machine for terrorism which both Egypt and Israel had to over time isolate and try to stop.
Of course the guy's a lunatic. He also happens to have a lot of support within certain very powerful circles, not in spite of but because of what he's proposing to do in Gaza, and for his lunatic, outright fascistic worldview generally. That's why they made him National Security Minister, after all.
There was nothing remotely racist in my post, and I don't appreciate the smear.
That's like saying that during the us invasion of Iraq to replace the regime the US expanded into Iraq. It did not. The us didn't settle Iraq.
I stand by my statement that people here talk with authority without knowing even the most basic facts.
If we are talking about pre-globalization many countries are no longer have a majority “native” population. (US, Japan, Taiwan, parts of Europe) and that is just the reality of human history.
I think we have to decide on a time when the back and fourth geocoding between groups is no longer acceptable. Most of the world thinks it’s around the end of ww2 and the start of globalization, but are you contending that it should be later, and the Arabs should take back Israel?
You don't mention Gaza or Palestinians, yet it's right there (and been there for 75+ years).
Hezbollah states that their aims include destroying Israel, instilling a Muslim government in the land, and converting the people to Islam.
They have explicitly said that they will never coexist peacefully.
Hezbollah's founders writings at the time are available online, and that they are clear about their goal being the rule of Islam. Their slogan was 'The Islamic Revolution in Lebanon'. They were founded as an Islamic revolutionary group, that is very core to who they are. Highlighting that is hardly 'using Islam as a scapegoat' whatever that means.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Resistance_Brigades
You are trying to obfuscate Hezbollah's public statements calling for Islamic rule. Hezbollah wants Islamic rule and Sharia law for Lebanon, they are very clear about this. Currently realities that they have to put up with do not change that. They are also clear all of their actions and philosophy is consistent with and based on Islamic teaching. Again it is not deceptive to point out they are an Islamic organization.
It's a lot easier for Hezbollah or Hamas to radicalize someone when seemingly everyone in the region has a family member killed or maimed by the IDF. Then there's the separate issue of Israel directly funding Hamas specifically to foment the flame.
Edit: Israel's funding and promoting of Hamas to ensure radicalization and "justified retaliation" that could eventually allow them to settle all of Palestine is a decades long strategy that's finally paying off. The incomprehensibly incompetent intelligence failure last October is the turning point.
If Israel stopped assassinating journalists, blocking aid trucks, and blowing up refugee camps and hospitals, they'd probably have gotten away with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
> Former Israeli officials have openly acknowledged Israel's role in providing funding and assistance to Hamas as a means of undermining secular Palestinian factions such as the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, who served as the Israeli military governor in Gaza during the early 1980s, admitted to providing financial assistance to Mujama Al-Islamiya, the precursor of Hamas, on the instruction of the Israeli authorities.
> At a party conference of Likud in 2019, Benyamin Netanyahu said:
> "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."
Israel's strategy has always been the denial of Palestinian right to self determination.
It doesn't? Theocratic governments have been around for millennia. They're not some kind of modern invention; they're really just a reversion to how most societies worked in the past.
> The 1982 Lebanon War began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon. The invasion followed a series of attacks and counter-attacks between the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operating in southern Lebanon and the Israeli military that had caused civilian casualties on both sides of the border.
You asked "but what pissed them off so much". Maybe it was the PLO operating in Lebanon, not sure.
This is hasbara. Both are part of the same wider conflict in which Israel is aiming to eliminate Palestine from the map. There was never peace to begin with, including before October 7. Israeli gradual decade-long land grabs are an act of war in themselves.
Why, Israel sent them a page and they are merely returning the call, as would be the right thing to do among polite company.
This terrorist attack is just the latest provocation.
It is not a terrorist attack, it was an reaction of Hezbollah indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel. That are terror attacks. Something UN troops are supposed to stop, but that is another topic.
You can look up what Hezbollah wants and that is nothing else than the elimination of Israel. The terror is almost exclusively one sided here and it is sourced from radical fundamentalism.
And no, Israel doesn't not murder, rape and torture, that is purely projection.
It was literally a terrorist attack - it was designed to cause terror. If Hezbollah had done this to the Israeli government or even IDF reservists, I've no doubt that you would call it a terror attack.
And why might Hezbollah be firing rockets onto Lebanese land illegally occupied by militant Israeli settlers, I wonder? Could it also have something to do with Israel launching unprovoked airstrikes in Lebanon?[0] Israel is the occupier, Israel is the aggressor - Israel needs to stop.
> Something UN troops are supposed to stop
That's ironic, given how many UN staff Israel has murdered since last October.
> And no, Israel doesn't not murder, rape and torture, that is purely projection.
I'm sorry, but you're either incredibly misinformed, or an that's an outright lie - even the UN says Israel has institutionalised the use of abuse, torture, sexual abuse and rape[1][2]. Even B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group, agrees with this![3]
I've read countless reports of Israel torturing Palestinian hostages - they are doing it on a huge scale, and in mind-bendingly evil ways.
Israel is a sick, apartheid regime that must be stopped.
[0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/israel-launches-att...
[1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-esca...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violen...
[3] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-gro...