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Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by r00fus on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:25PM (#41574347)
Why? Why is Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel?

You don't mention Gaza or Palestinians, yet it's right there (and been there for 75+ years).

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by WorkerBee28474 on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @09:21PM (#41574728)
> Why is Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel?

Hezbollah states that their aims include destroying Israel, instilling a Muslim government in the land, and converting the people to Islam.

They have explicitly said that they will never coexist peacefully.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by ardfard on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @11:12PM (#41575391)
Nice, using Islam as a scapegoat. Lebanon is a democratic republic that has 43.4% Christian population. If that is their intention, why not focus on their country first rather than attacking Israel?
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by _DeadFred_ on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @11:40PM (#41575540)
Lebanon had a civil war along religious lines. There are many Lebanese Christians in the USA that could help you with what seems to be a misunderstanding about the country.

Hezbollah's founders writings at the time are available online, and that they are clear about their goal being the rule of Islam. Their slogan was 'The Islamic Revolution in Lebanon'. They were founded as an Islamic revolutionary group, that is very core to who they are. Highlighting that is hardly 'using Islam as a scapegoat' whatever that means.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by ardfard on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @11:59PM (#41575657)
You are mentioning a civil war that happened a decade ago that is by no means exclusive to Hezbollah. I couldn't care less what their founders wrote, but, strangely, they care about the rule of Islam in Israel when their president is a Maronite Christian and their party is one of the parliament members. I can agree that they are Iranian proxies for war against Israel, but it's far from installing Islamic rule. I mean they are also responsible for the secular movement that comprised many religious factions [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Resistance_Brigades

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @12:52AM (#41575921)
I'm referring to a time when Hezbollah was founded. Kind of important to an organization, it's founding, and it's reason for being founded, don't you think?

You are trying to obfuscate Hezbollah's public statements calling for Islamic rule. Hezbollah wants Islamic rule and Sharia law for Lebanon, they are very clear about this. Currently realities that they have to put up with do not change that. They are also clear all of their actions and philosophy is consistent with and based on Islamic teaching. Again it is not deceptive to point out they are an Islamic organization.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by komali2 on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @10:03PM (#41574969)
As the Americans discovered, this level of radicalization doesn't come naturally to people.

It's a lot easier for Hezbollah or Hamas to radicalize someone when seemingly everyone in the region has a family member killed or maimed by the IDF. Then there's the separate issue of Israel directly funding Hamas specifically to foment the flame.

Edit: Israel's funding and promoting of Hamas to ensure radicalization and "justified retaliation" that could eventually allow them to settle all of Palestine is a decades long strategy that's finally paying off. The incomprehensibly incompetent intelligence failure last October is the turning point.

If Israel stopped assassinating journalists, blocking aid trucks, and blowing up refugee camps and hospitals, they'd probably have gotten away with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

> Former Israeli officials have openly acknowledged Israel's role in providing funding and assistance to Hamas as a means of undermining secular Palestinian factions such as the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, who served as the Israeli military governor in Gaza during the early 1980s, admitted to providing financial assistance to Mujama Al-Islamiya, the precursor of Hamas, on the instruction of the Israeli authorities.

> At a party conference of Likud in 2019, Benyamin Netanyahu said:

> "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

Israel's strategy has always been the denial of Palestinian right to self determination.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by hersko on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @10:21PM (#41575072)
I never understood this logic. We made peace with the Japanese and Germans after the horrors of WWII. There will probably be peace between Russia and Ukraine at some point. Only Arabs attacking a specific country seem to be infantilized to the point where every retaliation is destined to perpetuate the conflict.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by shiroiushi on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @01:09AM (#41576013)
>As the Americans discovered, this level of radicalization doesn't come naturally to people.

It doesn't? Theocratic governments have been around for millennia. They're not some kind of modern invention; they're really just a reversion to how most societies worked in the past.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @04:26AM (#41577230)
Yeah but what pissed them off so much? (spoiler: it was Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon)
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by nindalf on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @06:07AM (#41577860)
From the first two sentences on wikipedia

> The 1982 Lebanon War began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon. The invasion followed a series of attacks and counter-attacks between the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operating in southern Lebanon and the Israeli military that had caused civilian casualties on both sides of the border.

You asked "but what pissed them off so much". Maybe it was the PLO operating in Lebanon, not sure.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by _DeadFred_ on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:34PM (#41574410)
Hezbollah is firing rockets to conduct terrorism on the civilian population living in the area. Are you are OK with terrorism if you feel it's justified?
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by kombine on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @03:33AM (#41576856)
Israel is dropping 2000 pound bombs on a densely populated urban area, half of it being children, 15000 of which are already killed. Are you OK with terrorism if you feel it's justified?
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday September 18, 2024 @02:40PM (#41583837)
Had Israel killed 15000 people when Hezbollah launched, I think it was 3000 rockets at civilians in an attempt to overwhelm Israel's iron dome defenses for civilians, during and immediately after Oct 7th, partnering with Hamas in ending the semi-peace that had been in place in order to kill the maximal amount if Israeli civilians/instill maximal fear? We are talking about those attacks on this thread about Lebanon.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by kombine on Friday September 20, 2024 @02:40AM (#41599424)
> order to kill the maximal amount if Israeli civilians

This is hasbara. Both are part of the same wider conflict in which Israel is aiming to eliminate Palestine from the map. There was never peace to begin with, including before October 7. Israeli gradual decade-long land grabs are an act of war in themselves.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by tptacek on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @09:27PM (#41574765)
By the logic of the thread, that can't possibly matter.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by amy-petrik-214 on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @10:36PM (#41575172)
> Why is Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel?

Why, Israel sent them a page and they are merely returning the call, as would be the right thing to do among polite company.

Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by _DeadFred_ on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @11:43PM (#41575549)
By firing thousands of rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas? That is polite, civil, and worthy of a joke to you?
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by jncfhnb on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @09:19PM (#41574713)
And you don’t mention Iran
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by _blk on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:29PM (#41574378)
My neighbor doesn't let me play in his yard where my dad used to live. Let's throw grenades over the fence.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by Aeolun on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:33PM (#41574401)
I think the desire to throw grenades over the fence comes more from the neighbor coming over the fence once in a while and murdering anything he finds.
Re:Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon by ardfard on Tuesday September 17, 2024 @08:46PM (#41574481)
You forgot to mention your neighbor razed the yard and killed some relatives too. Throwing some Molotovs, while it may not justified, is still an expected reaction.