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Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by lawrenceyan on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @04:42PM (#41450552)
What you're talking about is something in the vein of exponential super intelligence.

Realistically what actually ends up happening imo, we get human level AGI and hit a ceiling there. Agents replace large portions of the current service economy greatly increasing automation / efficiency for companies.

People continue to live their lives, as the idea of having a human level AGI personal assistant becomes normalized and then taken for granted.

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by brigadier132 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:16PM (#41450928)
I think you underestimate what can be accomplished with human level agi. Human level agi could mean 1 million Von Neumann level intelligences cranking 24/7 on humanity's problems.
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by TaylorAlexander on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:19PM (#41450962)
Only if there are no hardware limits, which seems highly unlikely.
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by unyttigfjelltol on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:31PM (#41451071)
Right, the comments are assuming an entrepreneur could conjure an army of brains out of nothing. In reality, the question is whether those brains are so much cheaper they open avenues currently unavailable. Would it be cheaper to hire an AGI or a human intern?
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by mentos on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:19PM (#41450959)
Or cranking on super intelligence. What’s the minimum coefficient of human intelligence necessary to boot strap to infinity?
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by scarmig on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:24PM (#41451497)
Infinity intelligence is a very vague and probably ill-defined concept; to go to an impossible extreme, if you're capable of modeling and predicting everything in the universe perfectly at zero cost, what would it even mean to be more intelligent?

That is a hard limit on intelligence, but neural networks can't even reach that. What is the actual limit? No one knows. Maybe it's something relatively close to that, modulo physical constraints. Maybe it's right above the maximum human intelligence (and evolution managed to converge to a near optimal architecture). No one knows.

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by astrange on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:20PM (#41451868)
> if you're capable of modeling and predicting everything in the universe perfectly at zero cost

As far as we know, it's impossible to model any part of the universe perfectly, although it usually doesn't matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by vkou on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:28PM (#41451050)
The biggest problem that humanity has from the perspective of the people with the capital necessary to deploy this is 'How to consolidate more wealth and power into their hands.'

One million Von Neumanns working on that 'problem' is not something I'm looking forward to.

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by lawrenceyan on Thursday September 05, 2024 @06:14PM (#41460828)
Yeah, I think you're probably right after further consideration and trying some new models today.
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by andyjohnson0 on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @05:27PM (#41451039)
> Agents replace large portions of the current service economy greatly increasing automation / efficiency for companies.

> People continue to live their lives

Presumably large numbers of those people no longer have jobs, and therefore no income.

> we get human level AGI and hit a ceiling there

Recently I've been wondering if our best chance for a brake on runaway non-hard-takeoff superintelligence would be that the economy would be trashed.

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by lawrenceyan on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:32PM (#41451568)
People will move from the service economy to the entertainment economy powered by Youtube, Tiktok, Mr. Beast, and others.

Half-joking. In seriousness, something like a UBI will most likely happen.

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by astrange on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @07:22PM (#41451882)
The point of UBI or other welfare systems is for people we don't /want/ working, children and the elderly.

It's impossible to run out of work for people who are capable of it. As an example, if you have two people and a piece of paper, just tear up the paper into strips, call them money and start exchanging them. Congrats, you both have income now.

(This is assuming the AGI has solved the problem of food and stuff, otherwise they're going to have to trade for that and may run out of currency.)

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by dayvid on Wednesday September 04, 2024 @06:07PM (#41451369)
If we can get human level AGI we will definitely get exponential super intelligence
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by trashtester on Thursday September 05, 2024 @08:19AM (#41455882)
Every sigmoid ends somewhere. ASI will have limits, but the limits are surely so far beyond human level that it may as well be exponential from our point of view.
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by dyauspitr on Thursday September 05, 2024 @01:56AM (#41453933)
If you can get a truly human level AGI, with enough resources it will get to super intelligence by itself.
Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by khafra on Thursday September 05, 2024 @05:12AM (#41454910)
Looking back at the history of artificial cognition machines, how many of them hit a ceiling at human-level capabilities?

- A simple calculator can beat any human at arithmetic

- A word processor with a hard disk is orders of magnitude better than any human at memorizing text

- No human can approach the ELO of a chess program running on a cheap laptop

- No human polymath has journeyman-level knowledge of a tiny fraction of the fields that LLMs can recite textbook answers from

Why should we expect AGI to be the first cognitive capabilities that does not quickly shoot past human-level ability?

Re:Ilya Sutskever's SSI Inc raises $1B by lawrenceyan on Thursday September 05, 2024 @01:46PM (#41458907)
Yeah so, I just tried a new experimental LLM today.

Changed my mind. Think you’re right. At the very least, these models will reach polymath comprehension in every field that exists. And PhD level expertise in every field all at once is by definition superhuman, since people currently are time constrained by limited lifespans.